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08-20-2005, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 02' hawk
Are you already running this stuff or is in the works?
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Yes i already have all of that. I just took it to the local track and put down some numbers. They were ok, 1/8 mile track got 7.3 don't remember the mph. 60 ft. was 1.7! I only ran the car twice before gas started coming out of the tank....i guess i shouldn't have gased it up before i went![/QUOTE]
Not too shabby on the 60'.....I hope to get there soon. What cam are you running with the 1.8 rockers?
08-27-2005, 12:08 PM
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Had the same problem with overheating (ATI DSC1...in Kansas with 90 + days with AC on).
I removed the stock ATI and installed the SPAL Extreme which pulls 3000 cfm. Since I had to remove the ATI shroud anyway to install the SPAL I cut a 9 inch hole on the driver side and mounted a SPAL 9 inch which pulls 740 cfm. With both SPALS I am pulling approx 3600-3700 cfm which is considerably more than the stock twins or the ATI single POS.
The SPAL 16 is a direct bolt on. The 9 inch was more time-consuming to install than difficult because of measuring and cutting the 9 inch hole. Once installed everything just wires back to the stock dual fans wiring. BTW, I have a Meziere electric water pump and a 160 thermosat and set both fans to come on at 160.
The install looks stock. Car still reaches 210 (I have a 98 with correct temp gauge) idling with the AC on but runs around 185 moving, at lights etc with the AC running. I can't let it set and idle for extended periods, if so then it pops up to 210.
IMO the radiator is just too small for hot climates.
Next step is install a 9 inch fan in front of the AC condesor. That should solve all overheating when AC is turned.
The SPAL is pricey, but understand they are topline. Flexalite has a 16 inch 3300 cfm that is cheaper.
I removed the stock ATI and installed the SPAL Extreme which pulls 3000 cfm. Since I had to remove the ATI shroud anyway to install the SPAL I cut a 9 inch hole on the driver side and mounted a SPAL 9 inch which pulls 740 cfm. With both SPALS I am pulling approx 3600-3700 cfm which is considerably more than the stock twins or the ATI single POS.
The SPAL 16 is a direct bolt on. The 9 inch was more time-consuming to install than difficult because of measuring and cutting the 9 inch hole. Once installed everything just wires back to the stock dual fans wiring. BTW, I have a Meziere electric water pump and a 160 thermosat and set both fans to come on at 160.
The install looks stock. Car still reaches 210 (I have a 98 with correct temp gauge) idling with the AC on but runs around 185 moving, at lights etc with the AC running. I can't let it set and idle for extended periods, if so then it pops up to 210.
IMO the radiator is just too small for hot climates.
Next step is install a 9 inch fan in front of the AC condesor. That should solve all overheating when AC is turned.
The SPAL is pricey, but understand they are topline. Flexalite has a 16 inch 3300 cfm that is cheaper.
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08-27-2005, 09:47 PM
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got the be cool 11'' fans installed, these things are great, i drove the car around town all day today, about 85 degrees outside, it never reached 200 degree, so they solved my problem. tomorrow i am gonna try it with a/c on.
08-27-2005, 11:33 PM
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How many cfm do the dual SPALS pull?
The SPAL 16 Extreme draws extremely well, but when I turn the AC on and it heats up, the SPAL draws air thru the AC condensor first and then that heated air from the AC thru the radiator. It doesn't take long for the temps to jump to 210 or over.
The SPAL 16 Extreme draws extremely well, but when I turn the AC on and it heats up, the SPAL draws air thru the AC condensor first and then that heated air from the AC thru the radiator. It doesn't take long for the temps to jump to 210 or over.
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08-28-2005, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dlandsvZ28
How many cfm's do the dual SPALS pull?
The SPAL 16 Extreme draws extremely well, but when I turn the AC on and it heats up, the SPAL draws air thru the AC condensor first and then that heated air from the AC thru the radiator. It doesn't take long for the temps to jump to 210 or over.
The SPAL 16 Extreme draws extremely well, but when I turn the AC on and it heats up, the SPAL draws air thru the AC condensor first and then that heated air from the AC thru the radiator. It doesn't take long for the temps to jump to 210 or over.
08-28-2005, 03:18 AM
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Don't know what the letters stand for, but it's my understanding that these fans are used by cars in Nascar because of their high quality and manufacturing tolerances.
They are made in Italy and the quality is supposed to be excellent. Spal has been a prime supplier of cooling fans for Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati.
http://www.spal-usa.com/html/spalhome.htm
I don't recall the man's name in tech support, but he will speak to directly if you call with questions about specific installations etc. The distributor is Iowa. He hooked me up with a reseller in Kansas.
I chose the Spal even though the Flexalite flows more and is somewhat cheaper.
They are made in Italy and the quality is supposed to be excellent. Spal has been a prime supplier of cooling fans for Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati.
http://www.spal-usa.com/html/spalhome.htm
I don't recall the man's name in tech support, but he will speak to directly if you call with questions about specific installations etc. The distributor is Iowa. He hooked me up with a reseller in Kansas.
I chose the Spal even though the Flexalite flows more and is somewhat cheaper.
09-26-2005, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dlandsvZ28
Had the same problem with overheating (ATI DSC1...in Kansas with 90 + days with AC on).
I removed the stock ATI and installed the SPAL Extreme which pulls 3000 cfm. Since I had to remove the ATI shroud anyway to install the SPAL I cut a 9 inch hole on the driver side and mounted a SPAL 9 inch which pulls 740 cfm. With both SPALS I am pulling approx 3600-3700 cfm which is considerably more than the stock twins or the ATI single POS.
The SPAL 16 is a direct bolt on. The 9 inch was more time-consuming to install than difficult because of measuring and cutting the 9 inch hole. Once installed everything just wires back to the stock dual fans wiring. BTW, I have a Meziere electric water pump and a 160 thermosat and set both fans to come on at 160.
The install looks stock. Car still reaches 210 (I have a 98 with correct temp gauge) idling with the AC on but runs around 185 moving, at lights etc with the AC running. I can't let it set and idle for extended periods, if so then it pops up to 210.
IMO the radiator is just too small for hot climates.
Next step is install a 9 inch fan in front of the AC condesor. That should solve all overheating when AC is turned.
The SPAL is pricey, but understand they are topline. Flexalite has a 16 inch 3300 cfm that is cheaper.
I removed the stock ATI and installed the SPAL Extreme which pulls 3000 cfm. Since I had to remove the ATI shroud anyway to install the SPAL I cut a 9 inch hole on the driver side and mounted a SPAL 9 inch which pulls 740 cfm. With both SPALS I am pulling approx 3600-3700 cfm which is considerably more than the stock twins or the ATI single POS.
The SPAL 16 is a direct bolt on. The 9 inch was more time-consuming to install than difficult because of measuring and cutting the 9 inch hole. Once installed everything just wires back to the stock dual fans wiring. BTW, I have a Meziere electric water pump and a 160 thermosat and set both fans to come on at 160.
The install looks stock. Car still reaches 210 (I have a 98 with correct temp gauge) idling with the AC on but runs around 185 moving, at lights etc with the AC running. I can't let it set and idle for extended periods, if so then it pops up to 210.
IMO the radiator is just too small for hot climates.
Next step is install a 9 inch fan in front of the AC condesor. That should solve all overheating when AC is turned.
The SPAL is pricey, but understand they are topline. Flexalite has a 16 inch 3300 cfm that is cheaper.
09-26-2005, 09:42 AM
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I have some dual 11" SPAL fans for sale for $175 plus shipping, $280 at Summit - driver side is pre-trimmed for ATI head unit. Brand new never installed.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Sombody buy 'em !!
Rob (Bad30th)
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Sombody buy 'em !!
Rob (Bad30th)
10-02-2005, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Blown Vert
So is the single 16 SPAL worth getting? I am having the same cooling problem.
If you don't run the AC a lot, then the Extreme IMO will keep the coolant from reaching 210 or higher. It's when you run the AC that the coolant temps jump and quickly. The reason is because air is drawn though the AC condensor first and then straight through the radiator, so instead of ambient temp air being drawn through the radiator it's getting a direct shot of super heated air pulled through the AC condensor.
Next summer I'm going to install a puller fan on the AC condensor and/or run a fan mounted transmission cooler and completely isolate the trans fluid from running through the radiator. A fan mounted on the transmision cooler is said to drop radiator coolant temps by at least 20 degrees + it keeps the tranmission fluid much cooler.
In addition, you can mount the fan mounted transmission cooler in a spot where is doesn't add to the air temp drawn though the radiator. Right now I have a transmission cooler radiator that is mounted in front of the AC condensor that is in front the radiator. Both heat the air as it is drawn to the radiator. So it's easy to understand why the temps shoot sky-high when you turn on the AC or sit idling (the AC ain't getting no moving air nor is the transmission cooler). It's that simple.
There is definitely a difference in the amount of air the Extreme 3000 pulls compared to the ATI fan. It pulls/blows so much air, the motor get dirty now much faster because of the dust it blows up from underneath the car when idling. I used a Raytemp temp gun and compared before and after temps behind the SPAL. The temps from the SPAL were at least 20 degrees higher which IMO means it draws better than the ATI.
BTW...I tried water wetter and didn't note any difference.
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