ATI Pro-charger
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Re: ATI Pro-charger Yep, I got one. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> I got the ATI stage I kit(P1SCH blower, FMU, 4.5#pulley) I only see 4psi with this on my '01 SS
Let me make a few recommendations.
Get the stage II kit from GWP. It comes with a much better fuel system setup than the ATI stage I. Get the D1SC blower instead of the P1SC(you won't have to spin it as hard to see a given boost level). I'm in the process of upgrading my kit to stage II except I'm keeping my P1SC.
If you have an automatic and plan on running <5psi I strongly recommend a torque converter. It will allow you to get into boost much quicker.
Figure on putting a good exhaust system on your car. I'm planning on FLP headers, and a cutout. I can tell the stock exhaust is a huge restriction on my car.
If you have a 6 speed, still plan on a good exhaust system. The stock exhaust hates all that extra air. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Thats a few things. What type of power are you looking for? What are your goals for the car? badass daily driver, street/strip racer?
Overall I am very happy with my Procharger. I just wish I had made some different choices with it up front. I would have went with the GWP stage II first but I didn't know about it.
There are a few procharger guys here. Tell us what your plans are and I think we can get you set up with what you need on the first go around. <img src="images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
Johnnie
Let me make a few recommendations.
Get the stage II kit from GWP. It comes with a much better fuel system setup than the ATI stage I. Get the D1SC blower instead of the P1SC(you won't have to spin it as hard to see a given boost level). I'm in the process of upgrading my kit to stage II except I'm keeping my P1SC.
If you have an automatic and plan on running <5psi I strongly recommend a torque converter. It will allow you to get into boost much quicker.
Figure on putting a good exhaust system on your car. I'm planning on FLP headers, and a cutout. I can tell the stock exhaust is a huge restriction on my car.
If you have a 6 speed, still plan on a good exhaust system. The stock exhaust hates all that extra air. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Thats a few things. What type of power are you looking for? What are your goals for the car? badass daily driver, street/strip racer?
Overall I am very happy with my Procharger. I just wish I had made some different choices with it up front. I would have went with the GWP stage II first but I didn't know about it.
There are a few procharger guys here. Tell us what your plans are and I think we can get you set up with what you need on the first go around. <img src="images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
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Re: ATI Pro-charger What Johnnie said, Go with the larger D1SC if you have, or plan on doing any other mods to the engine. I'm already running a 3.1" diameter pulley on my P1SCH and only seeing around 6~7 psi at 6k. That's a little over 46k rpm on the blower, the max is 60k. I've only got a hotcam and a freed up exhaust. (headers, off-road pipes and B&B catback) I'm pretty happy with the kit, had some audible gear chatter from the blower due to the rough idle from my cam. Got the idle bumped up 1200 and that took care of that. I'm not sure if the Hawks have the same front fascia as the TA, but you have to do a little trimming on the inside of it to get the intercoolers to fit on a TA.
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Re: ATI Pro-charger I am thinking about getting the Stage II kit from GWP. The only problem is I'm not sure how long the rest of the drivetrain will last ( clutch & rear ). I don't have the money to get all of that stuff replaced at the same time, actually the kit will be on the credit card. If anyone can give me an idea about how long the stuff might last - I will try not to drive it too hard <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Thanks
Jeff
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Re: ATI Pro-charger [quote]Originally posted by 99 WS6:
<strong> I will try not to drive it too hard <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Thanks
Jeff
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Hi Jeff
Hehehe....I hope you have a strong will. <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
I have an automatic but I think you'll be Ok as long as you don't drive it hard. (powershifting and what not.) <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
You can go with any amount of boost you like with the stage II kit. You could start with say 4psi and when you finally get around to upgrading the clutch and rear all you have to do is get a reprogram and a new pulley.
I would be prepared though. You could still break something with 4psi. If not tuned right even the motor is vunerable at low boost levels.
I'm not trying to discourage you just stating the facts. Personally, I drive my car everyday to the tune of at least 100 miles and I haven't had any problems.
Maybe you should look at upgrading the clutch and rear first. That way when they're paid off you can add whatever you want powerwise. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Have fun!
Johnnie
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<strong> I will try not to drive it too hard <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Thanks
Jeff
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Hi Jeff
Hehehe....I hope you have a strong will. <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
I have an automatic but I think you'll be Ok as long as you don't drive it hard. (powershifting and what not.) <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />
You can go with any amount of boost you like with the stage II kit. You could start with say 4psi and when you finally get around to upgrading the clutch and rear all you have to do is get a reprogram and a new pulley.
I would be prepared though. You could still break something with 4psi. If not tuned right even the motor is vunerable at low boost levels.
I'm not trying to discourage you just stating the facts. Personally, I drive my car everyday to the tune of at least 100 miles and I haven't had any problems.
Maybe you should look at upgrading the clutch and rear first. That way when they're paid off you can add whatever you want powerwise. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Have fun!
Johnnie
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Re: ATI Pro-charger I ve had mine since September and my Tranny and Rearend are still intact.
Go ahead and get it, but just be reasonable (at least as you can be). It should last until you are about ready for upgrade of the tranny or rearend. (At least, that's what I'm gambling!) <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
Read all about my ordeals/joy at the URL I post in my siggy.
You WON'T be disappointed with the Golden West Performance Stage II Procharger Kit.
Come on! Get it!!!! <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
Go ahead and get it, but just be reasonable (at least as you can be). It should last until you are about ready for upgrade of the tranny or rearend. (At least, that's what I'm gambling!) <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
Read all about my ordeals/joy at the URL I post in my siggy.
You WON'T be disappointed with the Golden West Performance Stage II Procharger Kit.
Come on! Get it!!!! <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">
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Re: ATI Pro-charger [quote]Originally posted by BIGBOS:
<strong>How much is the stage 2 kit...$5500??</strong><hr></blockquote>
You got it. That's the ballpark, depending on whether you do the D-1SC or the P-1SC.
http://www.goldenwestperformance.com/blower.htm
<strong>How much is the stage 2 kit...$5500??</strong><hr></blockquote>
You got it. That's the ballpark, depending on whether you do the D-1SC or the P-1SC.
http://www.goldenwestperformance.com/blower.htm
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Re: ATI Pro-charger Thanks for the input. I think that for now I will put on the SLP headers + Corsa catback, rear end girdle/stud kit and a new clutch. Then in a few months... SUPERCHARGE!!! hopefully that will hold for now. Also, should I change the valvesprings? I heard the stock ones are barely strong enough on a stock engine?
Thanks again,
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Re: ATI Pro-charger For a S/c I would change springs. We were told right away with the incon kits we have to change springs. Plus stock spring suck already. Can't think of the spring number off hand that you should put in.
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Re: ATI Pro-charger The ATI kit is nice. However, there is one concern I have right now and that is the PCV fresh air setup. When connected as per ATI, the PCM basically thinks it's a vacum leak because that PCV fresh air is unmetered by the MAF and your idle surges. This is especially noticable with the hotcam over stock cam. I will let you guys know shortly how a MAF pull through ATI setup works over the ATI engineered push through design.
...the surging makes the blower sound noiser then normal also.
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...the surging makes the blower sound noiser then normal also.
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Re: ATI Pro-charger I was thinking about that setup myself. I think that if the fresh air is drawn right after the MAF (pull through) and the pcv line went to the stock location and then put in a "T" fitting with 2 check valves, one to block off the line once boost builds and the other opens once that one closes and runs to the intake hose right before the compressor. I think I'm making it a little more complicated than it needs to be, but with this setup, the PCV system should work properly both with and without boost. Also it would stop the surging problem.
Would this work? or am I overengineering things?
Thanks,
Jeff
Would this work? or am I overengineering things?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Re: ATI Pro-charger [quote]Originally posted by 99 WS6:
<strong>I was thinking about that setup myself. I think that if the fresh air is drawn right after the MAF (pull through) and the pcv line went to the stock location and then put in a "T" fitting with 2 check valves, one to block off the line once boost builds and the other opens once that one closes and runs to the intake hose right before the compressor. I think I'm making it a little more complicated than it needs to be, but with this setup, the PCV system should work properly both with and without boost. Also it would stop the surging problem.
Would this work? or am I overengineering things?
Thanks,
Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>
All you'll have to do is relocate the MAF to the inlet side of the blower. The MAF should be easy to relocate into the accordian hose that hooks the air filter to the blower. Then all you have to do is extend the wiring. I might do mine tomorrow if I don't have to work all day. <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> This way the fresh air will be pulled from after the MAF and you won't have to try and keep boost from getting into the crankcase thru that line.
Easy as that. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
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<strong>I was thinking about that setup myself. I think that if the fresh air is drawn right after the MAF (pull through) and the pcv line went to the stock location and then put in a "T" fitting with 2 check valves, one to block off the line once boost builds and the other opens once that one closes and runs to the intake hose right before the compressor. I think I'm making it a little more complicated than it needs to be, but with this setup, the PCV system should work properly both with and without boost. Also it would stop the surging problem.
Would this work? or am I overengineering things?
Thanks,
Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>
All you'll have to do is relocate the MAF to the inlet side of the blower. The MAF should be easy to relocate into the accordian hose that hooks the air filter to the blower. Then all you have to do is extend the wiring. I might do mine tomorrow if I don't have to work all day. <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> This way the fresh air will be pulled from after the MAF and you won't have to try and keep boost from getting into the crankcase thru that line.
Easy as that. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
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Re: ATI Pro-charger [quote]Originally posted by XLR8NSS:
<strong>
All you'll have to do is relocate the MAF to the inlet side of the blower. The MAF should be easy to relocate into the accordian hose that hooks the air filter to the blower. Then all you have to do is extend the wiring. I might do mine tomorrow if I don't have to work all day. <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> This way the fresh air will be pulled from after the MAF and you won't have to try and keep boost from getting into the crankcase thru that line.
Easy as that. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
XLR8NSS</strong><hr></blockquote>
XLR8NSS,
Why do you think ATI would not have engineered the kit to install that way?
<strong>
All you'll have to do is relocate the MAF to the inlet side of the blower. The MAF should be easy to relocate into the accordian hose that hooks the air filter to the blower. Then all you have to do is extend the wiring. I might do mine tomorrow if I don't have to work all day. <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> This way the fresh air will be pulled from after the MAF and you won't have to try and keep boost from getting into the crankcase thru that line.
Easy as that. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
XLR8NSS</strong><hr></blockquote>
XLR8NSS,
Why do you think ATI would not have engineered the kit to install that way?