Got my header flanges
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Got my header flanges Part of the winter plans include weight reduction.
The turbo kit uses cast manifolds, heavy suckers too
Soooooo
I'm gonna try my hand at some header fab work. Need to order a pair of T3 turbo flanges, a couple 4 into 1's and some stainless bends. Then i cut and weld for awhile.
But, these are GM performance parts flanges for the ASA headers. pretty cheap too, good quality.
I figure if i can cut the weight in half, that's atleast 50 lbs off the front.
The turbo kit uses cast manifolds, heavy suckers too
Soooooo
I'm gonna try my hand at some header fab work. Need to order a pair of T3 turbo flanges, a couple 4 into 1's and some stainless bends. Then i cut and weld for awhile.
But, these are GM performance parts flanges for the ASA headers. pretty cheap too, good quality.
I figure if i can cut the weight in half, that's atleast 50 lbs off the front.
Re: Got my header flanges Hey Harlan check out this site:
http://www.burnsstainless.com/
They have everything you need to build exhaust or induction parts.
What's the rest of the winter plan?
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Edster ]</p>
http://www.burnsstainless.com/
They have everything you need to build exhaust or induction parts.
What's the rest of the winter plan?
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Re: Got my header flanges yep, already been there <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
turbonetics has the turbo flanges in their catalog.
full plan includes k-memeber and a-arms
2 core radiator
BIG front mount IC
heads/cam
new rotating assembly
fuel system
tranny build up
alot of work <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
alot of debt <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
turbonetics has the turbo flanges in their catalog.
full plan includes k-memeber and a-arms
2 core radiator
BIG front mount IC
heads/cam
new rotating assembly
fuel system
tranny build up
alot of work <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
alot of debt <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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Re: Got my header flanges Harlan, I would TIG weld the flanges to keep down the warpage, after that you can use ox-acetylene or MIG. I have a friend who builds headers for turbo Buicks & thats the method he uses.Hows the stutter box coming.
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Re: Got my header flanges Bob
I plan to TIG the whole thing. Along w/ my new radiator, intercooler, etc. over the winter season.
stutter is about ready to send out to the board house for proto 2. New RPM measurement scheme to minimize the required connections, and more filtering. with the hacked up one before i'd get some noise if things weren't "just right" should be good now <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Turbo, those are straight outta GM performance parts. #12480130 Cost me $37 for the pair, but my roommate works at the dealership so i got his price. My employee price was a little lower, but i couldn't order them directly. Not stocked at a local warehouse to pick up <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0">
but, they were pretty cheap and the dealer can get the for you.
I plan to TIG the whole thing. Along w/ my new radiator, intercooler, etc. over the winter season.
stutter is about ready to send out to the board house for proto 2. New RPM measurement scheme to minimize the required connections, and more filtering. with the hacked up one before i'd get some noise if things weren't "just right" should be good now <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Turbo, those are straight outta GM performance parts. #12480130 Cost me $37 for the pair, but my roommate works at the dealership so i got his price. My employee price was a little lower, but i couldn't order them directly. Not stocked at a local warehouse to pick up <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0">
but, they were pretty cheap and the dealer can get the for you.
Re: Got my header flanges Are you gonna shoot for equal length? That plays a big role in a turbo manifold. With a manifold made of steel tubing you should see better all around performance. Esp the spooling time.
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Re: Got my header flanges Harlan, I'm thinking about putting an ATI. Prochager on my 2000 SS.Just for the hell of it what is the price of the INCON TT? Please keep me informed about the stutter box, you have my e-mail address. Thanks Bob Neese
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Re: Got my header flanges it's gonna be real tough to get them equal. There is very little room as it is. I may just have to go w/ a log style, or maybe a tri-y. But i will attempt 4 into 1.
I figure i can't do any worse flow wise than the cast ones, using 1 3/4" stainless. I'm more after the weight reduction.
turbohawk = a fat lady <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I figure i can't do any worse flow wise than the cast ones, using 1 3/4" stainless. I'm more after the weight reduction.
turbohawk = a fat lady <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
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Re: Got my header flanges [quote]Originally posted by Bob Neese:
<strong>Harlan, I'm thinking about putting an ATI. Prochager on my 2000 SS. What is the price of the INCON TT? Please keep me informed about the stutter box, you have my e-mail address. Thanks Bob Neese</strong><hr></blockquote>
when i got it, stage 1, it was $4500. It's now $5500 i think. But good luck getting your hands on one. hard to come by these days.
The kit is VERY complete. I've had to upgrade alot of drivetrain stuff as a result of my boost greed <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
but the kit itself kicks *** <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Will do on the 2-step.
I'm sure you'll see info here too
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<strong>Harlan, I'm thinking about putting an ATI. Prochager on my 2000 SS. What is the price of the INCON TT? Please keep me informed about the stutter box, you have my e-mail address. Thanks Bob Neese</strong><hr></blockquote>
when i got it, stage 1, it was $4500. It's now $5500 i think. But good luck getting your hands on one. hard to come by these days.
The kit is VERY complete. I've had to upgrade alot of drivetrain stuff as a result of my boost greed <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
but the kit itself kicks *** <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Will do on the 2-step.
I'm sure you'll see info here too
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Re: Got my header flanges I have seen good results from ATI, both LS1 and LT1.
How much does it cost anyway?
All i know is stay away from powerdyne, and vortech requires cutting the SS hood.
Vortech seems to do well though
But, ATI was smart and watched as the others found the bugs. and made the correct changes before they released the blower.
i say ask Black LS1 T/A, he seems to be the quick ATI guy round these parts <img src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" border="0" alt="[hail]" />
<img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />
How much does it cost anyway?
All i know is stay away from powerdyne, and vortech requires cutting the SS hood.
Vortech seems to do well though
But, ATI was smart and watched as the others found the bugs. and made the correct changes before they released the blower.
i say ask Black LS1 T/A, he seems to be the quick ATI guy round these parts <img src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" border="0" alt="[hail]" />
<img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />
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Re: Got my header flanges Thanks Harlan, The reason i might go with ATI is that i would have to trash my $1200 TTS headers to install the turbo.Also i was thinking why not remove the windshield washer an put a front mount after cooler. Bob
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Re: Got my header flanges Y2KHawk, could you use a normal t3 turbo on each of those manifolds, and build your own kit?
If so, and your sucessful, would you be willing to sell your incon manifolds?
Ryan.
If so, and your sucessful, would you be willing to sell your incon manifolds?
Ryan.
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Re: Got my header flanges once i get the motor out of the car, and check out the manifolds i'll figure out what size they are. Not sure if it's a t3 flange or a t4, but it's a 4 bolt flange for sure.
I don't see why you couldn't use one of the appropriate size <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
If all goes well, i may just put them up. I'm replacing the intercoolers as well, and maybe the ducting.
hell, i may end up selling most of it off <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
I don't see why you couldn't use one of the appropriate size <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
If all goes well, i may just put them up. I'm replacing the intercoolers as well, and maybe the ducting.
hell, i may end up selling most of it off <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Re: Got my header flanges Matt, just for the hell of it Patrick just weighed a set of the cast manifolds, 13 #'s and 19 #'s, totalling 32 #'s. We then weighed a set of stainless headers I have from my mustang which were at 11 #'s each, long tube. Now estimating a shorty would weigh approx. 6 #'s which would total 17 #'s for stainless compared to 32 #'s for the cast pieces. 15 #'s is hardly worth the effort when it can be taken out MUCH cheaper from other things on the nose of the car. Holesaw the front bumper and weigh the metal taken out for example. We already know we can make over 800rwhp with these manifolds in stock trim and will be extrude honing a set shortly for an C5R project.
We also know the intercoolers are good for over 700rwhp in their stock locations in both the vette and F-body applications and I should have the 4.5" cores on a few cars shortly. The 4.5's should exceed 900rwhp without a significant pressure drop. Be careful with the front mount and cooling issues as there have been issues when modifying the stock cooling path on both the f-body and C5 even with bigger radiators.
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We also know the intercoolers are good for over 700rwhp in their stock locations in both the vette and F-body applications and I should have the 4.5" cores on a few cars shortly. The 4.5's should exceed 900rwhp without a significant pressure drop. Be careful with the front mount and cooling issues as there have been issues when modifying the stock cooling path on both the f-body and C5 even with bigger radiators.
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Re: Got my header flanges LOL, that was quick tom <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
32 seems low, but it has been over a year since i've had them off the car.
I don't doubt that they flow, but i'm in serious need of a diet.
The coolers are a different story.
I'm not too concerned w/ the cooling issues, as the stock radiator is being replaced w/ a 2 core of the same size. AC is going bye-bye, so i should have room for the FMIC. And an added bonus is the removal of the *** pipe <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Dave continues to assure me the 35's will flow the mass for 800rwhp. So I fully intend to find out <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
The build up is serious, and i plan to break alot of stuff next year. I really wanna see what i can do w/ 346 cubes, straight C16, and 18 psi <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />
32 seems low, but it has been over a year since i've had them off the car.
I don't doubt that they flow, but i'm in serious need of a diet.
The coolers are a different story.
I'm not too concerned w/ the cooling issues, as the stock radiator is being replaced w/ a 2 core of the same size. AC is going bye-bye, so i should have room for the FMIC. And an added bonus is the removal of the *** pipe <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Dave continues to assure me the 35's will flow the mass for 800rwhp. So I fully intend to find out <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
The build up is serious, and i plan to break alot of stuff next year. I really wanna see what i can do w/ 346 cubes, straight C16, and 18 psi <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />
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Re: Got my header flanges [quote]Originally posted by y2khawk:
<strong>The build up is serious, and i plan to break alot of stuff next year. I really wanna see what i can do w/ 346 cubes, straight C16, and 18 psi <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
[Crock_Hunter]Harlans going hunting for the elusive 1000fwhp LS1. It'll snap driveshafts liiike twigs and shread the trans. like a eucalyptus leaf. If he finds it he better be careful because it can strike mighty quick...they've never been clocked but, are believed to go 0-150mph in just over 9 sec.[/Crock_Hunter]
<img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I can't wait. <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
<strong>The build up is serious, and i plan to break alot of stuff next year. I really wanna see what i can do w/ 346 cubes, straight C16, and 18 psi <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
[Crock_Hunter]Harlans going hunting for the elusive 1000fwhp LS1. It'll snap driveshafts liiike twigs and shread the trans. like a eucalyptus leaf. If he finds it he better be careful because it can strike mighty quick...they've never been clocked but, are believed to go 0-150mph in just over 9 sec.[/Crock_Hunter]
<img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I can't wait. <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />