parish8

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hello, i have a truck with a whipple, it runs prety good with 92 gas. when i have to run 91 it is much slower, i can feel it start to pull and then it drops off fast. i am wondering how it would run with 93 or 94, is there and easy way to get a couple of octane points, i have heard that octane boosters don't really work, what do you guys think?

WS6underPRESSURE

Unless your getting knock retard the higher octane won't help performance, if your getting KR then you want just enough octane to keep full timming.

smokinHawk

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Heres how to up your octane cheaply

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/octanebooster.html
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parish8

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with the 92 gas i am not geting much knock retard, when i hit it i get a jump to 2deg and it tapers off to 0deg, from what i understand that is ok but my timing is only at about 10-14deg at wot, i am not sure how this works but is that all the computer wants or did it learn not to ask for more or it will get knock? some people have told me i should be seeing more like 20deg or more at wot.

let me ask that again, does the computer learn not to ask for as much timing after seeing some knock or does it just use the knock retard forever.

parish8

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that is a sweet page, let me confirm what i just read. i can goto the paint store and buy a couple gallons of toulene or xylene, dump them right into my tank right along with 18galons of 92 and end up with 94+ octane gas?

is this ok for the converters? and o2's?

thanks for your help

parish8

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woa, just went to lowes, they sold xylene by the gallon for $9.96, no larger containers or toulene. ouch, where should i try next? that seems kind of expensive.

smokinHawk

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Try a paint supply company, mabye a local one, one that can order anything for you.

smokinHawk

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A 30% mix will put you around 100 octane, with 94.

Pretty sure its safe for O2's since it contains no lead. not sure about cats but i think its safe

Cablebandit here got a 55 gal drum of toulene and has been dumping it in for a while without problems.

Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by parish8:
<strong>woa, just went to lowes, they sold xylene by the gallon for $9.96, no larger containers or toulene. ouch, where should i try next? that seems kind of expensive.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Two paint stores I checked charge $8.xx for a gallon of Xylene.

Maybe they are hip to what we're doing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

WEASEL

The last time I checked Sherwin Williams paint stores, Xylene was about $35 for a 5 gallon can. Not a whole lot cheaper but it IS cheaper.

Also check around for local chemical distributors.

WEASEL

Just checked a local distributor to me near Charlotte North Carolina.

They asked for a $300 minimum purchase which would be three 55 gallon drums, 400lbs each. The sales guy seemed to suggest that he would sell one drum but at a higher price. 40 cents/lb for three drums which comes out to $2.91 per gallon OR one drum at 45 cents/lb which comes out to $3.27 per gallon.

I believe they also deliver but don't know how far. Raleigh?

Thought someone might like this info as a reference. I wonder how much a pump for a drum would cost?

This was for Xylene btw. Toluene was about 4 cents more per lb.

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smokinHawk

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at my S-W store it cost 8.35 for a gallon of Toulene.

parish8

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now that is more like it, i think i will buy a couple of 5gal containers and do some experimenting, if it works out buy it by the drum, it would be easy to pump into a gas can, and then add it to your tank right before you fill it up. i know this stuff it a prety high quality paint thiner, is it going to peel my paint off if a drop or 2 hits the paint. i will wipe it off of course but if it only takes a sec to peel the paint that is a concern.

next question and i think i will start a new thread also, how much octane does it take to add how much boost? if 92 octane and 7lbs is ok then how much octane for 9 or even 10lbs of boost?

smokinHawk

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Interesting....

OK now how much for a can? $11?? or is that a case (of 6)?

Now does one can up the octane to 106?, or a case?

smokinHawk

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For easy reading
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1. Blend the Leaded concentrate with 100 low lead aviation fuel to get up to 112 octane race fuel that really flies!!!!

2. This concentrate when blended with a race fuel makes an Nitrous fuel to fit many applications.

3. The Unleaded concentrate when blended with a 93 octane super unleaded makes up to a 104 octane race fuel for many of today's street cars, motorcycles, watercraft, ATV's, and many other motorsport applications!

4. The Leaded concentrate makes up to a 106 octane race fuel when blended properly. Plus giving the needed lubricity of LEAD!!!

Black LS1 T/A

TORCO is what I normally buy when I'm going out of town and may get into a race, and I can vouch for it's effectiveness. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

LIGHTNINROD

S/Hawk:

I mix 16 oz/10 gals of 93 octane which then equals a 97 octane mix. Higher concentrations will give higher octanes as needed. The mixing instructions are on each can and I don't have one here at work. It's $11/32 oz can when you buy a case of six--plus shipping.

Dan

smokinHawk

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Thaanks for the info, I'll have to give it a try

It sounds like it would be cheaper and eaiser to do.
$8.5 (1 gallon) extra to raise 93-95
or
$11/2 (16 ounces) to raise 93-97

parish8

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i don't supose that someone could post a picture of the back of one of those cans, this sounds too good to be true but i don't really see any claims on their web site, it doesn't say how much to mix to get what.

from what i am hearing is that 32oz of torco to 20gal of 93 gas for only $11 will give me 97 octaine, that is a little more money than the paint thinner(figuring $3/gallon bulk buy) but a whole lot easier to work with. it just seems a litte too good to be true, that stuff would have to be like, ahh i just calculated it i knew that algebra would come in handy, it would have to be 417octane!!! is this for real?

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LIGHTNINROD

Guys: I know Jerry's had a lot of success with his 'paint thinner'(you oughta see him in his white coveralls at SDR <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> , but here's another approach that works too.http://torcoracefuels.com/ACCEL%201.htm
http://torcoracefuels.com/ACCEL%201.htm

You can order by phone from the Southern dist., Jeff Kittles--321-269-1498. I have a case of 6($11/32 ozs.) on the way.

Dan

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