BLOWNMERO

I just think the correction factor should be posted with the dyno numbers. In all fairness. Dont you agree?

Mark C

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Black LS1 T/A:
<strong>I hear ya, Mark C... but, the only thing that it should take this setup to maintain those numbers where the correction factor is 1.0 should be fuel and tuning.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Air, fuel, and tuning. By air, I mean the path from the air filter to the exhaust tips. By fuel, I mean the pumps, regulator, lines, and injectors. By tuning, I mean the computer hardware and maps, compression ratio, and octane.

If all of the above was capable of supporting 700 rwhp, then, absolutely, the car would duplicate this at 1 CF.

Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mark C:
Air, fuel, and tuning. By air, I mean the path from the air filter to the exhaust tips. By fuel, I mean the pumps, regulator, lines, and injectors. By tuning, I mean the computer hardware and maps, compression ratio, and octane.

If all of the above was capable of supporting 700 rwhp, then, absolutely, the car would duplicate this at 1 CF.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I buy that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I think GWP has built the motor to put'er there. But, yeah... you have to give it enough to eat, stink and crap. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> (Crude simile, I know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )

<small>[ August 22, 2002, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Black LS1 T/A ]</small>

BLOWNMERO

I just think the correction factor should be posted with the dyno numbers... to eleminate confusion

Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BLOWNMERO:
<strong>I just think the correction factor should be posted with the dyno numbers... to eleminate confusion</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's cool... it's just that I don't recall you asking, say, Rob Raymer, for a correction factor when he posted his numbers.

1slowCamaro

Hey Mike, how much does a built 422 go for these days? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Justin

BLOWNMERO

I just know that GWP is known for posting huge horsepower numbers and not giving the correction factor. So whenever I see any dyno numbers from gwp I know there is a correction factor involved. Thats all

Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BLOWNMERO:
<strong>I just know that GWP is known for posting huge horsepower numbers and not giving the correction factor. So whenever I see any dyno numbers from gwp I know there is a correction factor involved. Thats all</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um ... I would ASSUME a correction factor for a dyno. That's why it's called a "correction". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Mark C

The reason why nobody is concerned with Robs correction factor is that he dynos in Indiana. Unless he's in the altitude chamber over at United Airlines' maintainance base in Indianapolis, the factor can't be more than a few percent. And unless GWP dynos at the bottom of a 5,000 ft mine shaft, their factor must be about 20.

BLOWNMERO

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Black LS1 T/A:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BLOWNMERO:
<strong>I just know that GWP is known for posting huge horsepower numbers and not giving the correction factor. So whenever I see any dyno numbers from gwp I know there is a correction factor involved. Thats all</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um ... I would ASSUME a correction factor for a dyno. That's why it's called a "correction". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well you know what they say. Never assume it makes an *** out of you and me. In this case.. just you though. Why are you so bitter, I just want to know the correction factor. They have higher correction numbers than most others ive seen, so its nice to know. Get a life dude. Keep your <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> to yourself.

<small>[ August 26, 2002, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: BLOWNMERO ]</small>

Black LS1 T/A

Well, I guess I a$$umed "correct"ly, and you knew as well... you just like being an a$$.

Oh... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Hammer

LMAO

Here it is, my car, that is the subject of the thread, and I just now see it - 30 posts later <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Anywho, if anyone has any questions on my car, feel free to ask. It really is a nice ride. Kenny, Jason, and others, have done a darn fine job. They built my last motor 610rwhp and are now starting to get the power levels up pretty nice on this one too.

As for the always testy correction factors... a couple pat comments. First, my last motor dyno'ed 609 rwhp here in Denver and 610 rwhp in Kansas city. Cf's here range from 1.18 to 1.23. Cf's at Lingfelters (Indiana) when I've had it dyno'ed there were .98 and 1.02. Cf in Kansas City was about the same as Indiana.

As for my making this power (700rwhp) at sea level, i.e., Cf of 1.0, that is a fair question. If the fuel pressure holds up (enough pump) and if the belt don't break (20% more air) and if nothing else goes boom, then yea - I'd dyno the same. Just as I did last year. But, there is always the problem of making 20% more power at low elevations and risking something breaking <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" />

Again, it is always nice to see a thread about your own car - 30 posts later <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

BLOWNMERO

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Black LS1 T/A:
<strong>Well, I guess I a$$umed "correct"ly, and you knew as well... you just like being an a$$.

Oh... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">haha... spoken like a true child.

Black LS1 T/A

I thought it was rather... suave-ay, myself. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Talon77

I was out at the Super Chevy show in Denver..and saw your dyno sheet...It was very impressive. I know you guys are still working on the car, but I figured it would run better than the 12.20's..to 12.80's it was turning at the track. Good luck in getting it dialed in...
BTW... if you live in Denver..than you may know my brother.. 106.7 KBPI's DJ.. named Willi B. He's a dodge nut..so Im sure he'll love doing some street racing with ya..

Hammer

Thanks Talon.

And while I have not met the KBPI guy (Willie B), I checked out his car at Dyno Pro when they re-did his NOS setup. Now it looks pretty sweet!

As for my tuning, the good news is now we know what happened at the Super Chevy show. The last minute change was a different TC setup. However, the guy doing the work and GWP had a bit of a miscommunication. They wound up making my TC operate as purely a fluid coupler - with NO torque multiplication. So... they are now in the process of building me a totally new TC with the stall set for my actual wheel torque. Soon... I will be kickin some butt at the track. And, lookin for Willie B <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Talon77

Just heard from my brother..he's coming back from test and tune at the track. He ran some 11.0's @ 131.xx mph... so he's got the potential to dip into the 10's..just has to hook the car right. Not bad for a 4000lb 69 Dodge Charger!
Anyway, best of luck to you and your car. Hope to see you next time I'm out in Denver.

383ss

iTrader: (14)

just curious... what color/year/make is this F-body??? I may have seen it outside the dyno-shop in KC. Is it still there?

DenzSS

I was there for some of Hammer's dyno runs. The altitude correction factors for dynojet work pretty well.

ls1290

iTrader: (20)

I thought Clay was going with the F3 because the F2 could not keep up. Anyways nice numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I have a couple of rides with his 383/D1 setup, now I think it is time for another one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />