I just sold my bike for 6'gs and i want to buy some stuff for my T/A, Im thinking Turbo or Supercharger. I leaning more toward supercharger, what do you guys think and which company do you think i should go with.

 

ati supercharger and install it yourself !
and pay some one to tune it.

 

Supercharger. Do a search and a lot of research, $6k wont get you far since you will need a built motor, rear, clutch or converter, and a whole boatload of supporting mods to go with. When it is all said and done you will have 10-15K into the car depending on how fast you wanna go.

"Speed = money. How fast do you wanna go?!?" -Andy '05
hahaha

Good luck
Andy

 

I've been very happy so far with my Vortech V9 Gtrim with aftercooler.

 

Either or would be fine. There both addicting to have and once you have it you want more.

 

Turbo for sure.

 

I would say supercharge for sure, do some research.


Joel@GMRSPEED Either or would be fine. There both addicting to have and once you have it you want more.

Damn straight!!!!

 

Turbo!!!!! depends on what kind of power you want to make. You don't have to have a built bottom end. Use a pair of 6.0 heads, a low duration cam with some good lift, a set of 42lb injectors, and a 2-core front mount intercooler with meth and have some fun. The 6.0 heads allow you to make the same or more power on a lower amount of boost. Example a ls1 with 8lbs boost with stock heads 440hp. A ls1 with 5lbs boost with 6.0 heads 440 hp. the heads have a better combustion chamber that lowers your compression.

 

Turbo... but 6k alone wont do it.

 

The ATI ProCharger systems have proven themselves over the years. The ATI ProCharger SC superchargers contain there own oil supply. The engine oil is not shared with the supercharger, meaning the supercharger cannot contaminate the engine, and vice versa. With headers and exhaust, we typically see 450 rwhp on my Mustang Chassis Dyno with an ATI ProCharger at 8 psi. The same vehicle prior to adding the supercharger would be at 310 rwhp.


Installed ATI ProCharger Price:
Our standard 8 psi system for $7,499.99.00 includes:

ATI ProCharger D-1SC 8 rib supercharger with (new for '05) larger 4.5" twin high-flow intercooler system
LS1 Edit programming and tuning on our Mustang Chassis Dyno
Ford SVO 42lb fuel injectors
Holley/Walbro 340 in tank forced induction fuel pump with in-tank modifications
Spark plugs for forced induction

Also Includes ATI Performance Products Harmonic Balancer, which is required for the 8 rib belt assembly

Includes our dyno computer tuning and complete print-outs

The D1SC supercharger system carries a 1-year warranty from ATI. Bob

 

Question Exotic..... Is that $7,500 price for it installed also? Like you get all the stuff to run i see with the kit + fuel+injectors+tune, so does install some with so you can be up and running 8 psi for $7,500? If so during the install would you install other parts for free. Like if i purchased a nice set of heads and cam, could you do that for the price of the item, free install/tune? Thanks

 

I also have a few questions to add to your thread if you dont mind so i dont have to start a new thread on the same subject???

Lets say we lined up identical cars with same drivers.... only diff was that one car had an ATI procharger at 8psi and the other had a turbo kit with lets say...t67 (That a good size for stock motor?), which would win at the track, why? and on the street from a like 50ish roll and why? Which generally makes more power and gets better track results? Thanks Im stuck between getting a turbo set up or the ATI.

 

Yes the $7,500 price is completely installed, tuned, out the door.

Heads and cam installation would be additional, and I have the price for these items listed in the services section of my website. Thanks for inquiring. Bob

 

At the lower boost levels, it would probably be close, even though a turbo typically makes more torque. Both systems can get you into the 11's with traction. KP is into the 9's with an ATI ProCharger at 13 psi.
When you go to 14 psi of boost, you will make more power and torque with a good turbo system, as blowers use a lot of power from the engine to make power. Bob

 

from what ive seen.... a S/C is easier to drive than a T/C

 

I am in the same dilema. as I want a nice huge turbo, but I dont want the problems that I have seen with the turbo's. and the companies usually are around for 6 months or so then disappear. but ATI/Vortech just to name 2 have been around forever. and they have been proven to perform. plus for 6k you still need more for a turbo kit. mine was priced out at 7k just for the kit, and doesnt include the fuel mods to support the turbo. so I am leaning towards supercharger as well right now.

 

I agree most companys that make turbo kits dont stay around vary long,and most street turbo kits have a lot of problems.I vote go with a supercharger I just sold my sts turbo and got a procharger dsc1 kit.

 

Personally I see it like this.

A supercharger can be had for less money and still produce enough HP to totally reck the motor (I know there's a few that run big boost and get away with it, but they are not the norm. And the engine IS on borrowed time).

So even the cheepest turbo (STS) won't realistically be able to produce more power. Not unless you spend large sums of money on the rest of the engine 1st. But if you're doing that then there are lots of other option open to you.

Also I still have my doubts about the STS kit and it's driveability. Yes I'm sure it can make big power and put up respectable ET's, but LAG will always be it's Achillies heel. LAG being stall periods caused by lifting off the throttle.

Why get a turbo when you can get the same result from a blower for less money??

If moneys not a problem, then it's a whole different ball game.

 

Ok............. since i have owned both....... Turbo and SC ill put in my .02

Now ATI's old kit sucked majior *****... meaning belt slip like crazy with the old 6 rib setup.
The setup KP is using is the SDCE spring tensioned 8 rib seup. I had the same one. He is also running a FMIC.....
Your best bet would be to buy a walbro 340 intank Fuel pump for about $110 form any of the sponsors.
Then order some SVO 42# Injectors. I found them last night online for $299 brand new.
Then order the ATI D1-SC kit and install it your self..... Its easy and you can do it with hand tools..... the hardest part is going to be the crank bolt.
I bet i could have the kit on within 3 hrs.
Now intall the pump first then install the Blower...... drive to your local tuner and swap out the fuel injectors on the dyno real quick and have it tuned. Stay below 11.5:1 A/F so she's safe on the street and stay out of the boost until after its tuned...... you can make it to the dyno..... i did it..... 240 mile drive to my old tuner.
The only other three things i can see you will need is a Boost gauge of your choice usually around $50 for the Mechanical ones....... then $199 fir an electrical Fuel pressure gauge... (why elec because you cant mount a mechanical Fuel Pressure gauge inside the cab Fire hazard) and the A-Pillar to hold the Gauges for about $50.
Total$
This is off of TByrne's site.... prob cheaper....
ATI 8 Rib D1-SC Kit $5079.95 (man when did the prices jump so much)
8 rib setup $1279.99 SDCE's is $700 if i remember correctly)
Fuel Pump $110
Injectors $299
Tuning $450-550
Install $Free do it yourself.
Total $7318 + gauges..... So Bob's price is pretty good...... call him and see what he sells just the kit for...... or look for a used kit for sale???
I sold my old kit with a FMIC, D1-SC, Hard piping and the SDCE 8 rib setup for $4250.

Ill stop rambling now...... in board at work..............
Kyle

 

I called TBYRNE once about the D1SC special, they told me $4200 over the phone....but that was a while back (about a 8-10 months ago), prices may have gone up since then....

oh yeah, and if I had the cash you had I would 1st invest in building up the motor.....maybe a forged 408, new rear end, new heads....oh ****, your 6K ran out a while ago