New project help! 402 or forged 346 w/ FI? Goal=500whp
11-30-2005, 01:14 AM
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So, whats it take to go fully forged? Price wise and part descriptions? Just curious, been lookin into it. Hope u don't mind me cutting in on the thread.
11-30-2005, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RaRe99SS
I am trying to be as safe with whichever setup I go with. By safe I mean, do not want there to be a chance of something going wrong because I didnt have the correct part somewhere else. I will spend a little more to make sure its reliable, and driveable. Your setup really looks to be working well for you. I dont remember the details of your setup (i remember reading it awhile ago), but low 11s, just kicks ***! What turbo system did you go with? I hear the turbo cars with a manual trans have some issues launching at the track... Is there a problem here? Is there any need for a turbo timer?
P.S I love your car!
P.S I love your car!
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You may say you only want 500... dont take this personaly but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read through the F/I threads... one constant thing here.... EVERYONE gets the turbo bug and wants to turn it up. If you have the cash to Forge and F/I... DO it... Cause you will turn it up till it gets un comfortable... and that will be closer to 600-700RWHP on a daily drive street car. The 5K in my opinion is not enough... I have over 12 in mine and running a stock block. This is cause you are only talking about the block and F/I... not talking good fuel for 600-700.... or suspension to put it to the ground... I have over 3500 in my driveline..
Just want to warn you... You weak point will break... My weak point is my block.. I fight myself to not turn up the boost every time I go to the track.. cause I want to choose when I gotta dump that money into the block... not be forced into it.
Just my opinion. Oh and no turbo timer for an STS anyways... it stays cooler in the back.
11-30-2005, 07:12 AM
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So, whats it take to go fully forged? Price wise and part descriptions? Just curious, been lookin into it. Hope u don't mind me cutting in on the thread.
all you really need is a good set of forged rods and pistons. have the stock crank checked out. also get new rings and bearings. you should be good to 800rwhp, maybe more.
Good luck whichever way you go!
11-30-2005, 09:37 AM
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Like longrange mentioned... if your goal is 500rwhp its more then easy to get that with stock stuff. You can get there with nothing more then a STS/Procharger, proper fuel, and a accomodating cam. Throw in a set of 6.0L heads and youll not only have more then 500rwhp but itll be a tad safer as well.
For instance... a local car I know of did a mild blower cam, Procharger w/stock side ICs, 6.0L heads w/ Patriot dual springs, mild fuel upgrades, and at right around 7psi he was doing 567rwhp after dyno tuning.. and that was with a conservative/safe tune.
You COULD go that route (cam, 6.0Ls, Procharger/STS, stock internals)... have a safe, reliable, and totally streetable ride... surpass, or stick, your goal of 500rwhp... save your cash for the time being and gradually gather your forged goodies and when youre ready have the forged goodies installed, stick with the cam you already have and go more aggressive on boost/tune.
Just a thought.. good luck.. Im going this route and my goal is 550-580rwhp with a D1SC, FMIC, Fuel, Custom Cam, stock internals, and 6.0L heads. Eventually Ill go forged but I cant justify going that route yet until I have to.
For instance... a local car I know of did a mild blower cam, Procharger w/stock side ICs, 6.0L heads w/ Patriot dual springs, mild fuel upgrades, and at right around 7psi he was doing 567rwhp after dyno tuning.. and that was with a conservative/safe tune.
You COULD go that route (cam, 6.0Ls, Procharger/STS, stock internals)... have a safe, reliable, and totally streetable ride... surpass, or stick, your goal of 500rwhp... save your cash for the time being and gradually gather your forged goodies and when youre ready have the forged goodies installed, stick with the cam you already have and go more aggressive on boost/tune.
Just a thought.. good luck.. Im going this route and my goal is 550-580rwhp with a D1SC, FMIC, Fuel, Custom Cam, stock internals, and 6.0L heads. Eventually Ill go forged but I cant justify going that route yet until I have to.
11-30-2005, 04:18 PM
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wow these engines are so impressive! I think i am going to stick with the turbo route. Thanks for all the info guys!
I can get away with not forging the crank!? I would be very happy with 500whp, but as everyone says they get the bug to crank it up. I know I will be the same way.
What kind of $ is GOOD forged crank going to be? Who makes it?
Here is another question I get from reading all the feedback. Say i do go with a forged crank, rods, pistons,LQ9 (6.0) heads, and possibly a streetable cam could I be nearing 600whp with no driveabilty issues/reliability?
With the above equipment where would I be crossing the line as far as power, before I would have to really worry about pushing the engine past what its capable of?
I can get away with not forging the crank!? I would be very happy with 500whp, but as everyone says they get the bug to crank it up. I know I will be the same way.
What kind of $ is GOOD forged crank going to be? Who makes it?
Here is another question I get from reading all the feedback. Say i do go with a forged crank, rods, pistons,LQ9 (6.0) heads, and possibly a streetable cam could I be nearing 600whp with no driveabilty issues/reliability?
With the above equipment where would I be crossing the line as far as power, before I would have to really worry about pushing the engine past what its capable of?
11-30-2005, 06:38 PM
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If you stay stock cubes, a stock crank will be more than enough to handle whatever you throw at it. I would say that 700 to the wheels would be no sweat for a forged motor with a good tune, and still be VERY streetable.
12-01-2005, 05:31 AM
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http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=27
Check out the above 670 rwhp Trans-Am with an ATI ProCharger.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=32
Check out this Camaro SS that we added an STS turbo to, after we rebuilt the engine. Bob
Check out the above 670 rwhp Trans-Am with an ATI ProCharger.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=32
Check out this Camaro SS that we added an STS turbo to, after we rebuilt the engine. Bob
12-01-2005, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RaRe99SS
Black do you tune yourself, or where do you go? I cannot find anyone around here that knows anything.
I would like to try tuning myself, but I wouldnt trust myself tuning a boosted car as my test subject. 
12-01-2005, 08:20 PM
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Hate to ruin the party, but cost and complexity increase exponentially with the power of your engine!! This stuff adds up fast! Also consider that if you're going up to 600hp, you're probably going to need to upgrade your trans, rear end and suspension. If you don't, you're going to have some serious reliability problems... and slow your car down a lot. I think the sweet spot where you get the most bang for your buck is around 500hp...
How much are you trying to spend? To forge your engine, buy and install a turbo kit, upgrade your trans and rear end, and modify your suspension, you're looking at a sweet $15,000!
How much are you trying to spend? To forge your engine, buy and install a turbo kit, upgrade your trans and rear end, and modify your suspension, you're looking at a sweet $15,000!
12-01-2005, 09:54 PM
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Mainly focused with engine at the moment. Thanks for the heads up on the the powertrain, as I know that is coming as well. I dont plan to romp/destroy the stock parts, but i will need to upgrade them as well.
12-01-2005, 09:58 PM
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Put some money on the side for fuel related products, we don't want to be running out of fuel :boom:
also have a little stash for trans and rear. Us A4 guys can live a while with our rear, but from all reports our Trans won't last
If you have the patience, I would go with the Hi-Flo kit at 5-6 psi (safe) depending on results from other board members, and a nice fuel system (pump, lines, 60# injectors, etc) Go easy on her and realize your **** can snap at any moment....probably missed something, but i'm a little tired
also have a little stash for trans and rear. Us A4 guys can live a while with our rear, but from all reports our Trans won't last
If you have the patience, I would go with the Hi-Flo kit at 5-6 psi (safe) depending on results from other board members, and a nice fuel system (pump, lines, 60# injectors, etc) Go easy on her and realize your **** can snap at any moment....probably missed something, but i'm a little tired
12-01-2005, 10:05 PM
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Yeah, what size fuel pump should i go with? What kind of injectors seem to be best for this type of application? (I agree w/ 60#ers tho)
As for fuel parts for 500 whp I should only need a tank and injectors. I need new lines too??? Is ignition going to be an issue?
As for fuel parts for 500 whp I should only need a tank and injectors. I need new lines too??? Is ignition going to be an issue?
12-01-2005, 10:13 PM
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Motron 60# injectors seem to be very popular ($420).....You'll have plenty of room for growth with those....Pump....I think Racetronix makes a nice kit for like $250, Walbro, Aeromotive, etc are some more....not sure what else is needed, I would rather have someone who has done it tell you
12-01-2005, 10:21 PM
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I was looking into forged cranks.. They very soooo much.. there is a Lunati 4340 forged $1,900!! 
! There are some for $500-$900... Which would i need for 500-600whp? I would really like to have it all forged, but $1,900 is way outta my price range for a crank alone. My pockets arent that deep. $800 would still may be on the back burner.
Cool **** has to cost so much $!?
! There are some for $500-$900... Which would i need for 500-600whp? I would really like to have it all forged, but $1,900 is way outta my price range for a crank alone. My pockets arent that deep. $800 would still may be on the back burner. Cool **** has to cost so much $!?
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