You will find 99% of turbo kit builders, turbo sellers and retailers really don't know much about turbos at all or even the theories behind the way they actually work. It is really quite sad, cause it is the consumer which ends up getting the short end of the stick.

JZ

 

Such corporate evil in the world! It must be stopped! Revenge to those who would harm us, self-styled racing "ambassadors," by the allure of performance and the promise of results... based on intentional or unitentional deceptive methods of promulgating a product. This madness must end!





Dude, get a life. agneology (agnostic...), an epistemological/theological position bears little relevance to auto-tech. Seriously, forcing upper-lexicon words to fit the topic of your distant, amusing argument is the insecure, internet intellectual's signature move. Are you bored?

 

eh....he admitted he f'ed up at least. The thesaurus line was classic.

heehe


I hope for your sake that you're an english teacher that just got into cars.



Go go gadget STS!

 

Look guys,

The agnostic part is relevant because its meaning precisely fits within the context of my closing. Agnostic means "we do not have proof therefore we must doubt." In my closing I referred now to the sts as my starting to have doubt in believing thus insulting our (fellow racers) intelligence claim that turbos take no horsepower to work. Also, just so you know my asperations are higher than teacher, and I don't use a thesaures.

You guys think this is funny, but in reality we are collectively responsible for holding businesses to ethical standards. Make some noise and be heard; you guys called my bull#$%@, let's call them on theirs. Let's use the mob mentality to enact a benevolent change instead of kicking the guy with a double digit I.Q. like myself, who already can't focus on a positive integer less than two.

One of you guys said the word promulgation, but that definition did not fit the context , isn't that ironic that he thought I misused agnostic. Let me phrase promulgation in a proper context, focus an "open act of declaration" on holding sts to same level of articulation and Occams's razor that you guys have extended to me.

Je Mange Le Chat!!! Civil disobedience!!

 

Who let Don Quixote in?

 

Thanks for the good 10 min laugh guys.

 

Well, if you noticed, I'd say 99% of that vocabulary from my post was intentionally out of context, as was/is yours... aka sarcasm... to :A. bring humor to your abstract (in regards to auto-tech) choice of words and B. amuse myself poking a little fun at you...

And what's wrong with being a teacher? My wife and I are both teachers, and I'll tell you the three best things about it: Christmas break, Spring break, and Summer break... One of which I'm enjoying right now I must say.

We don't make much money from teaching, but we do make a difference sometimes.

Context is a matter of degree. I could probably post up a how-to install guide for an alternator replacement as a Shakespearian Sonnet and still relate the word choice to automotive context... but OBVIOUSLY very loosely/marginally...

... And for such lofty vocabulary, some misspellings should be avoided so there is no doubt of your masterful command of the language- even after your post's editing. I mean, you have a double digit I.Q., after all... Lucky for you, I am an English teacher so I can help you out a bit...

Asperation --> Aspiration

Thesaures --> Thesaurus

Let me know if there's more I can teach you so you can attain higher digits on your cherished I.Q. score.

You know, everyone on this FI forum has a minimum triple-digit score, anyway.

Right fellas?

 

Hey I admire teachers, this is a post not a doctoral thesis so please excuse my misplelnngs. Typically, I edit my post to make them mroe humorus but i'll take it under advisement tooo spel check.

In case you missed it, I wrote my triple digit qualities in French on the last post.

On a serious note, I really do respect the profession that you and your wife have chosen. However, knowing your talents I can't help but implore you guys to challenge your selves and put your talents to the test; and make a compelling argument of why sts is misleading their customers. Here's a hint of what this argument should look like: you are the chaser, and "sts" is the yellow dude.

post script:

I promise to aspire and reach the aptitude of the typical "web poster guy" and hit the triple digit status. I forgot what I was saying....I have a mensa meeting.

 

 

Ah, mensa... Yes, the Starbucks for elitists.

Enjoy.

Seriously, if in the pursuit of ethical justice in the business practices between customer and sponsor here on LS1tech truth is to be demanded, they must lay down their mantles and agree to no longer be businesses. Inasmuch as they are businesses, their financial surivival depends on a certain level of persuasive liberty when advertising. It generally does not bother a customer unless it is overt.

Visit some of the Sponsor Feedback threads and you will be delighted to read some posts that will rekindle your faith in the quality of LS1 owners, their drive to vindicate more serious acts of deception by sponsors, their contagious sense of Auto-performance social justice that spreads and calls upon all its members to stand and make protest to would-be oppressors.

If after reading some, you still maintain our members are too idle and being taken advantage of by the juggernaughts of profit, like STS, then come back and we'll write some essays.

 

Your scaring me bboy;

You outline a remedy that infers a bifurcated result so polar, that sts is either "free and clear of wrong doing," or must be crusified completely.

This violation "which no one has taken an articulate stand on" seems to me like a grey area misdeameanor rather than the exacerbated felony you potentially suggest would warrant a racer from buying this product again. In short, I am concerned that you have reached a penalty phase for sts without really ascertaining whether they are the Autobots or Decepticons.

Notwithstanding, the end result for something like this may not the apocalyptic slippery slope argument that you might fear. So relax my pedewan learner, and just write what you think an "average person" would deduce when reading their website. You make it sound as if they committted blasphemy. Maybe what they have done is more comparative to going into "Barnes and Noble" and placing all the Bibles in the fiction section.

Do not relegate yourself to the lowly status of a Black Stone lawyer or the co-councel of Saddam Hussein. Instead, use your triple digit I.Q. web poster guy status and help the double digit "special eddies" like myself hold sts to an honest standard, no more, no less.

Adhere to my French comment in one of post if you must refresh your mind.

 

Good lord, this has turned into Turbo Scrabble.

Here is the only French statement I know.... "I surrender"

 

Hey guys,

I am new to this site and would like your opinion on an advertisement at the sts website. I just bought an STS turbo and was told that turbos take horsepower to operate just like superchargers. STS says a turbo does not take power from the engine to make power. I am just wondering if i got ripped. You guys, can also reference this in this forum with the following title: Is this for real? I urge you guys to read that post and contribute your opinions or findings to the discussion there. Thanks.

Frustrated STS AGNOSTIC

 

they use spent energy from exhaust gasses. The amount is minimal if any. Turbos are ALL GOOD!

 

Any pressure against the piston would be substantial when driving such a device. Here is the best analogy:

First, dyno your car rear wheel.

Second, hook up an sts turbo and do not route to the inlet of the manifold. This would measure how much power it would lose do to back pressure; I fear it would far from minimal. I just got my turbo installed so i can actually do this and compare to my previous numbers with no tuning changes! What do you predict.


You should really read the post titled "Is this for real? and repond to the schoolastic debate.

 

Minimal? BS, there's no such thing as a free lunch when it comes to physics. In order for the compressor to build pressure, back pressure on the exhaust side is created.

Let me put it to you this way, if you put 20-40 psi worth of back pressure (restriction) in the exhaust system of a naturally aspirated engine which, would you thing the losses would be minimal?

The losses with using turbos are fairly significant (although not as bad as SC's), but the losses are substantially offset by the gains, which is way we don't care about the exhaust back pressure.

It takes power to make power!

 

No, just that they're innocent of any significant wrongdoing aside from the typical liberties all advertisers take as common and unapparent, standard practice, viz. acceptable to the majority of consumers. You could criticize the level of consumer acceptability as too static or too harsh, but no, they shouldn't, as a business, be crucified for this.

To the contrary, I feel they are doing nothing significantly wrong or unethical relative to the standard measures of advertising common in US business practice.

I fear no such state of affairs.

Correct.

I have no intentions of being possibly assassinated.

I feel they are at an acceptable standard of honesty for their advertising measures, adequate and conducive to their success.

How, by taking up the same habits?



By the way, I.Q.'s scores are a fairly accurate way to arrive at a good assessment of someone's intelligence qua its satisfying of agreed parameters of what makes someone intelligent, that is to say a rubric created by some old white guys driven doxastically by their presuppositions of what these measuring tools ought to be and what they ought to measure, lending accuracy to this end but being arbitrary if they have staked barren claims.

I may be wrong, but many may feel cognitive wherewithal is more accurately appreciated by an observer to the individual that bears it than by this same individual's strong self-assertion that it is indeed a clear and distinct evaluation drawn from modest self regard and organized into an efficient reflexive equilibrium of reliable information. Clearly, you are doing so and meeting the "modest" requirement ... yet, it is superfluous and allows pretenders to the throne. Great, what are you to do? We both know you're a very introverted genius, so nothing needs to be proven. However, so that it's denial by others changes from possible to impossible, allow for a moment that your abilities be recognized rather than force-fed. You will find that all will be receptive to the wonderful ideas you have, great ideas scrutinized unfairly by their origin and not their merit... My purpose was to advise and to thank. Thank you for the French lessons.

 

I wrote this in another post concerning this.... it takes more to drive them then you think.

JZ

 

FINALLY, an answer that makes sense. Acknowledging such efficientcy loss would contradict the statement made at the STS website that turbos take no horepower to operate.

Judging from your list of turbo cars that you own I think your advice has merit.

 

to simplify the energy spent... just figure your cats take as much power away as a turbo would, you need to gut or remove the cats before the turbo install so there should be no loss at all, but the gains are so great that you cant really say your losing power by having a turbo hooked up... and if you dyno w/ the charge pipe removed make sure to plug the charge side w/ the wg line going to it so that the wg can open properly otherwise it will spin the turbo to max rpm....