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View Poll Results: Which Kit?
Powerdyne
2
4.55%
Procharger
32
72.73%
Vortech
10
22.73%
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Pros and Cons of these superchargers?
The only Pro I can think of for Powerdyne is price.
Cons: Belt slip, internal belt breakage, power limited
Procharger:
Pros: internal lubed, intercooled
Cons: belt slippage
Vortec:
Pros: can get liquid aftercooler
Cons: tap oil, higher price of the three
Cons: Belt slip, internal belt breakage, power limited
Procharger:
Pros: internal lubed, intercooled
Cons: belt slippage
Vortec:
Pros: can get liquid aftercooler
Cons: tap oil, higher price of the three
I went with the Procharger setup just for a few reasons.
Did not like how Vortech unit, covered the top of the engine making things hard to access. But I did like the fact that Vortech still used the stock filter and location. So I made my own filter and air box assy to keep my stock filter-location and ram air function, not that it is needed. But at least now I do not have to jack the car to clean my air filter.(which was a con for ProChgr) Which is still up high drawing in fresh cold-clean air vs the dirty stuff off of the ground.
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65...install055.jpg
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Liked the fact that Procharger had a self contained oil system. Did not want to tap into engines oil supply. Heat transfer and chance of cross contamination.
Wanted Air-Air intercooler-s easier install and less to deal with.
All and all I have been very happy with the Prochrgr setup. If you do go with this kit make sure you go with the 8 rib drive upgrade. The past 6 rib has been a BIG (con) for most.
Did not like how Vortech unit, covered the top of the engine making things hard to access. But I did like the fact that Vortech still used the stock filter and location. So I made my own filter and air box assy to keep my stock filter-location and ram air function, not that it is needed. But at least now I do not have to jack the car to clean my air filter.(which was a con for ProChgr) Which is still up high drawing in fresh cold-clean air vs the dirty stuff off of the ground.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65...uelrail155.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65...install055.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65...uelrail165.jpg
Liked the fact that Procharger had a self contained oil system. Did not want to tap into engines oil supply. Heat transfer and chance of cross contamination.
Wanted Air-Air intercooler-s easier install and less to deal with.
All and all I have been very happy with the Prochrgr setup. If you do go with this kit make sure you go with the 8 rib drive upgrade. The past 6 rib has been a BIG (con) for most.
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I'm not a big fan of self-contained oiling of the ATI. There is no cooling or filtering of the oil like engine oil. Turbochargers have been lubricated for years by engine oil. Also, I have never heard of a supercharger or turbocharger failure caused by contaminated engine oil.
Also, there was a big discussion over on camaroz28.com with a technical rep from ATI about compressor maps. According to him, since the owner of ATI is a "racer" instead of an "engineer", he see's no need for compressor maps. His only defense was, "there are fast cars with Prochargers". All I can say is, there are fast cars with STS's too, but that doesn't mean they're all that great.
Also, it may or may not be biased, but this makes for some interesting reading:
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...ency_paper.pdf
Also, there was a big discussion over on camaroz28.com with a technical rep from ATI about compressor maps. According to him, since the owner of ATI is a "racer" instead of an "engineer", he see's no need for compressor maps. His only defense was, "there are fast cars with Prochargers". All I can say is, there are fast cars with STS's too, but that doesn't mean they're all that great.
Also, it may or may not be biased, but this makes for some interesting reading:
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...ency_paper.pdf
Last edited by engineermike; Dec 28, 2005 at 01:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by JAMES RODRIGUEZ
ATI Procharger. Good warranty, no tapping of the oil pan, easy horsepower (when combined with the SDCE spring tensioner), and out of sight.
That thing is $500.
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When I got my Procharger installed it put out 425 at the wheels with the 3.4 6 rib pulley. A couple of months later I went with the SDCE setup. Before the SDCE setup install the car dynoed 325 rwhp. Thats how bad the slip was with the 6 rib. So to answer your question yes, you need the SDCE. 
Originally Posted by engineermike
I'm not a big fan of self-contained oiling of the ATI. There is no cooling or filtering of the oil like engine oil. Turbochargers have been lubricated for years by engine oil. Also, I have never heard of a supercharger or turbocharger failure caused by contaminated engine oil.
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...ency_paper.pdf
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...ency_paper.pdf
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Originally Posted by Ed Blown Vert
But you can run better oil. . .
Mike
ATI ProCharger's fairly new eight rib assembly works very well in the 8 to 12 psi range. We retighten the new blower belt after the first half hour of use, and we don't experience slipping problems. New for '05 is one inch thicker twin hi flow intercoolers, an inch thicker than the older ones, these really work good to keep inlet air temp's down. The ATI ProCharger has the bulk of it's weight low in the F Body chassis, keeping it out of the way for engine maintenance, and keeps the center of gravity lower in the chassis. Bob
I like Procharger the most. Upgrade to the 8 rib right way since it is pretty cheap.There is nothing wrong with the internbal oil system.
ATI has some of the fastest cars in the country---nough said
ATI has some of the fastest cars in the country---nough said
If we are talking about the V9 Vortech vs. the P-1SC Procharger vs. Powerdyne, then my vote is Procharger for several reasons. Like everyone else, you don't have to tap the oil pan. The oil in the supercharger is made to run the higher RPMs from the overdrive belt and gears. You don't have to worry about the lines coking or sludging up and frag the blower. They are proven in their power output over the V9 Vortech.
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What the hell is wrong with tapping the oil pan? I always hear this as one of the biggest cons for the Vortech. Does anyone know of a case where the blower took out the engine? What are you going to do if you go turbo? Self contain it? I've never had to change the blower oil yet, Oh yea, that happens when i change the oil. Back on subject though. i would now recommend the ATI because the belt issues have been solved and it simply outflows the Vortech (pretty substantially). But if you want to go Vortech you can buy a custom kit from other vendors with bigger head units that even up the score. I can't believe Vortech just sits on their hands and doesn't offer at least the S or T trim upgrade (similar to the P1SC to D1sc upgrade) because those head units will fit in the same spot just fine with a different bracket. How many sales do you think they lose because people want the ability to have more boost down the road when they modify the car more.