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vortech or procharger
http://www.procharger.com/consumer_alert.shtml
Check out the link above, plus do a search on here, and you will find out which brand is favored. Bob
Check out the link above, plus do a search on here, and you will find out which brand is favored. Bob
Isn't there a rule for sponsers that they cannot attack other brands/vendors???
Isn't backing a smear-campaign for personal gain and profit doing just that?
I know that I personally will never do business with 'Exotic Performance Plus' due to thier ignorance and inability to do business ethically... Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
And that is a real shame, since I will be in the market for a new Moser rear within the next month or so... Kinda sucks that they can't get my business because they choose to act so ignorantly...
Isn't backing a smear-campaign for personal gain and profit doing just that?
I know that I personally will never do business with 'Exotic Performance Plus' due to thier ignorance and inability to do business ethically... Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
And that is a real shame, since I will be in the market for a new Moser rear within the next month or so... Kinda sucks that they can't get my business because they choose to act so ignorantly...
Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
Isn't there a rule for sponsers that they cannot attack other brands/vendors???
Isn't backing a smear-campaign for personal gain and profit doing just that?
I know that I personally will never do business with 'Exotic Performance Plus' due to thier ignorance and inability to do business ethically... Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
And that is a real shame, since I will be in the market for a new Moser rear within the next month or so... Kinda sucks that they can't get my business because they choose to act so ignorantly...
Isn't backing a smear-campaign for personal gain and profit doing just that?
I know that I personally will never do business with 'Exotic Performance Plus' due to thier ignorance and inability to do business ethically... Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
And that is a real shame, since I will be in the market for a new Moser rear within the next month or so... Kinda sucks that they can't get my business because they choose to act so ignorantly...
Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
Isn't there a rule for sponsers that they cannot attack other brands/vendors???
Isn't backing a smear-campaign for personal gain and profit doing just that?
I know that I personally will never do business with 'Exotic Performance Plus' due to thier ignorance and inability to do business ethically... Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
And that is a real shame, since I will be in the market for a new Moser rear within the next month or so... Kinda sucks that they can't get my business because they choose to act so ignorantly...
Isn't backing a smear-campaign for personal gain and profit doing just that?
I know that I personally will never do business with 'Exotic Performance Plus' due to thier ignorance and inability to do business ethically... Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
And that is a real shame, since I will be in the market for a new Moser rear within the next month or so... Kinda sucks that they can't get my business because they choose to act so ignorantly...
Last edited by 98Z28MASS; Jan 18, 2006 at 01:10 PM.
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I second that man...They're just providing the information that the person was asking for...I think that they are both great products but let's face facts, Procharger is much easier to upgrade and there are plenty of people on here running them...But if Vortech wasn't a good product do you think that Pro Stock John would have got in the 9's with them?? I just like how the procharger is packaged though...You don't have to have the big aftercooler on top of the engine...You can easily run a front mount if you want and there are several different units that are available for them...As for the EPP bashing I think that it is out of line because they have no where stated that Vortech sucks...If people didn't promote THEIR products then no one would sell anything...He asked and they provided...Plain and simple
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Originally Posted by 98Z28MASS
Man chill the **** out, why are you badmouthing exotic performance plus? They didnt write the article, procharger did, so if you have any issues with them then call/email procharger and bitch at them. Also, look at all the members on this board and most who are supercharged have a procharger. Does it mean its a much superior product? No, it just seems to be the choice with most consumers on this board, but plenty of guys are making real good numbers with the vortech kit too so its just a matter of opinion. Also, no offense, but exotic performance plus has been an awesome sponsor for years on this board and they get plenty of business so although im sure they wouldnt want to lose a potential customer I dont think they are too concerned if one person doesnt buy a moser 12-bolt from them since they can read the link and see its not their webpage but rather prochargers...
Uhhhhhhh, One vote for Vortech here. My simple minded self installed it with a friends help without a problem and it makes awesome power with just 6lbs boost and a very conservative tune. I love how cold the air is going into the intake after it passes threw the Aftercooler. It's actually cold to the touch even after a nice pull.
Originally Posted by Bikeboy1
Uhhhhhhh, One vote for Vortech here. My simple minded self installed it with a friends help without a problem and it makes awesome power with just 6lbs boost and a very conservative tune. I love how cold the air is going into the intake after it passes threw the Aftercooler. It's actually cold to the touch even after a nice pull.
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And by the way, the link posted is a response to a misleading test prominently posted on the Vortech website that is simply pointing out some discrepencies. EPP is obviously a staunch supporter of ATI and likely for a reason. Brand loyalty should not immediately conjure up comments about payola. He could as easily had the same opinion about an alternative brand if they had earned that opinion. FWIW I know ATI supports their users on this board and others. Not sure if other brands are represented.
Holy ****! I didn't know that if I felt a product was superior and opined thusly, said product's manufacturer must be paying me.
Let's see: PTS owes me money, Moser owes me money, etc.
I should be rich, right?
RIDICULOUS!
Badmouthing? Yeah, that shouldn't happen. Smearing? Yeah that's bad too. Consequently, Bob has my respect for avoiding these pitfalls when asserting his opinion. Moreover, he offers advice to all.
****, do I owe him money then for all the advice he's given in threads that applied to me? It's no problem!
I'll cut him a check because I'm gonna be rich with all the money the product manufacturers that I have a high opinion of owe me. 
Hey, you know? I sell Pepsi part-time... and I think Coke sucks... damn, I guess I'm an *******.
How ******* petty...
Edit: BTW... on topic: Vortech and ATI are both awesome... Both put out the numbers though I feel ATI is more popular because it's easier to intstall and is self-contained, no drilling. Both are high quality, no doubt, with happy owners that are owed money by their respective Supercharger company.
Seriously, initial belt situations aside, searching for Vortech problems and Procharger problems (or similar phrases) will not yield any results that include the words next to each other. I think that says alot about their quality. *clearing throat* The same cannot be said if I combine the word "problem" and "(other FI manufacturer)" and then search...
Let's see: PTS owes me money, Moser owes me money, etc.
I should be rich, right?
RIDICULOUS!
Badmouthing? Yeah, that shouldn't happen. Smearing? Yeah that's bad too. Consequently, Bob has my respect for avoiding these pitfalls when asserting his opinion. Moreover, he offers advice to all.
****, do I owe him money then for all the advice he's given in threads that applied to me? It's no problem!
I'll cut him a check because I'm gonna be rich with all the money the product manufacturers that I have a high opinion of owe me. Hey, you know? I sell Pepsi part-time... and I think Coke sucks... damn, I guess I'm an *******.
How ******* petty...
Edit: BTW... on topic: Vortech and ATI are both awesome... Both put out the numbers though I feel ATI is more popular because it's easier to intstall and is self-contained, no drilling. Both are high quality, no doubt, with happy owners that are owed money by their respective Supercharger company.
Seriously, initial belt situations aside, searching for Vortech problems and Procharger problems (or similar phrases) will not yield any results that include the words next to each other. I think that says alot about their quality. *clearing throat* The same cannot be said if I combine the word "problem" and "(other FI manufacturer)" and then search...
Last edited by bboyferal; Jan 18, 2006 at 08:55 PM.
Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
Thanks everyone, I appreciate the support! I do my best to be a straight shooter. Bob
I mean why not just post why the ATI is superior based upon technical merit, without propaganda???
And to the rest of the nut-swingers, your statements are nothing more than that, just nut-swinging, because I only made referrence to the method in which EPP decided to push thier product, which is still a ****-poor way of doing it...
I use Vortech. Bob is a very nice and guy and sells procharger. So why wouldnt he promote it. If you have a stock car then I would say vortech or procharger S trim or P1SC. I personally am building a T trim setup. If I could do it all over I would have just got a turbo but I am more comfortable running a vortech since I have outsourced the parts I need to run them and rebuild them as needed. Good luck with your choice. Either kit will do the job.
Bob pushes Procharger because thats what he likes, but he is not the one sitting here telling you Vortech is garbage!? Why are you so quick to attack him? Like others have said he is just providing information that he knows of.
Oh, and personally I say Procharger. Self contained oil and big power out of teh D1. With bolt ons, and a cam and D1SC I make 603/506 at the wheels with methanol! And am slowly working my way closer to the 10s... Traps 130mph now too!
Oh, and personally I say Procharger. Self contained oil and big power out of teh D1. With bolt ons, and a cam and D1SC I make 603/506 at the wheels with methanol! And am slowly working my way closer to the 10s... Traps 130mph now too!
I'm deffinetly not anti-procharger. I went back and forth between the two before I ended up getting an awesome deal from a member on here for a new kit that saved me about $2500 off the retail price. What I don't understand though is why everyone keeps making a big deal about tapping into the oil pan. Every turbo has to do it and there are alot more turbo guys out there then vortech and procharger combined. I think it took my cousin under 10 minutes from start to finish and that included deciding exactly where to tap and then all they way to threading in the oil line. The only downside I see between the vortech and procharger line is that vortech only offers the g-trim headunits for us. I WANT A T-TRIM DAMMIT!!! lol
As for Bob over at EPP, I've read enough threads from him helping people out with great advice that I hope I get a chance to buy some products from him at some point but theres deffinetly no denying that he loves his prochargers
As for Bob over at EPP, I've read enough threads from him helping people out with great advice that I hope I get a chance to buy some products from him at some point but theres deffinetly no denying that he loves his prochargers
This is all just opinion, so please keep that in mind.
I thinks its best if sponsors tried not to reccomend one product over another, especialy when they have a financial incentive to do so. At least post that "I am a sponsor, and I sell/install these products, but here is why I think its better."
It would negate any perceived impropriety, wether its a legitimate concern or not.
Ive specifically seen Bob slam the Magnacharger, and pimp the ATI, which is fine, for certain people. I ended up buying the Maggie anyways, because of various reasons I wont get in to...im just voicing my opinion.
Bob, you have nothing to fear, your reputation is stellar and will continue to be so even if you never voice your product preference ever again.
I thinks its best if sponsors tried not to reccomend one product over another, especialy when they have a financial incentive to do so. At least post that "I am a sponsor, and I sell/install these products, but here is why I think its better."
It would negate any perceived impropriety, wether its a legitimate concern or not.
Ive specifically seen Bob slam the Magnacharger, and pimp the ATI, which is fine, for certain people. I ended up buying the Maggie anyways, because of various reasons I wont get in to...im just voicing my opinion.
Bob, you have nothing to fear, your reputation is stellar and will continue to be so even if you never voice your product preference ever again.
Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
Well, you say that is the case, but then why go about it the way you do?
I mean why not just post why the ATI is superior based upon technical merit, without propaganda???
And to the rest of the nut-swingers, your statements are nothing more than that, just nut-swinging, because I only made referrence to the method in which EPP decided to push thier product, which is still a ****-poor way of doing it...
I mean why not just post why the ATI is superior based upon technical merit, without propaganda???
And to the rest of the nut-swingers, your statements are nothing more than that, just nut-swinging, because I only made referrence to the method in which EPP decided to push thier product, which is still a ****-poor way of doing it...
Here's your criticism of their method:
Bad mouthing the competetive product is just plain foolish and spreads stupidity, and not even for the fact that you 'personally' prefer them, but for pure monatary gains... In other words, your opinion and 'professional expertise' is bought and paid for, not earned and not to be held in any regard as worth anything...
Okay, sure I guess...