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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:32 PM
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I'm looking at spec'ing out a 600-700whp single turbo setup. I have made several setups before on smaller import engines. The largest being a 450whp 1.8 miata turbo setup. On this setup, a 35mm(before they were discontinued and the 38 superceeded it ) tial never gave me any problems. However, 450whp and 600whp are not the same thing. So.... Can I get away without boost creep problems on a 38mm Tial, or do I have to make the step up in price to the 44mm?

Roaming around on TiAL's website I couldnt find any technical specs that said "the 38mm is good until X" or "the 44mm is good for X to Y". I dont know how wastegates are rated in, be it HP, CFM, or whatever.

I appreciate any feedback you guys can give me
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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There's a post with the numbers you want, but I can't seem to find it...

I was looking to max my setup at 700RW and was assured by several people (whom I trust) that a 38mm would be fine.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:44 PM
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Excellent. Thanks.

I'm not at the buying stage just yet, I am spec'ing all of these parts out and figuring a price range.
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How big of a turbo and whats the lowest boost setting u are wanting to run....
Ive seen Tial units have problems trying to run real low boost with a bigger turbo.....
Thats why i went with the TurboSmart 48mm WG.


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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 03:59 PM
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At the current moment (again this is preliminary)

I was thinking something like a T66-T77 sized turbo running 6-7psi or so.

Really whatever the bare minimum it would take to get around 500-550whp on a low boost setting and pump gas. (as a drive around on the street alot type setup)

The ability to turn it up in the future is a must, and somewhere around 700whp is probably the max out point for this application since getting much faster would result in breaking much more often. Would a 38mm work for that? I had no problems running a measly 4.5psi off of the base spring in my tial 35mm on the miata.

While we are on that tangent, any reccomendations in terms of turbo size? Something that made power from 3-6.5 would be perfect. I'm thinking closer to T77 than to T66, but other than that, A/R ratios and the like I havent a clue yet...

Thanks
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If you're going to primarily run low boost, get the bigger wastegate.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 08:35 PM
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I have a 50mm on about 575rwhp @ 8.5#.
Works like a charm.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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I have a 50mm on about 575rwhp @ 8.5#.
Works like a charm.

Thats the BOV Killer were talking about the wastegate.....

My Turbosmart 48mm WG


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Its all good..... we all do it....
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Originally Posted by NA$TY-TA
Thats the BOV Killer were talking about the wastegate.....

My Turbosmart 48mm WG


Kyle

That wastegate is pimp....I have the new Power gates here now. They are even bigger and badder. I will probably be using one of those on our race car.
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Originally Posted by JZ 97 SS 1500
That wastegate is pimp....I have the new Power gates here now. They are even bigger and badder. I will probably be using one of those on our race car.
Thanks Jose.... we went with it after talking to Pro Turbo.... they heard it from You

How big is the Power gates in MM???

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I hear HKS and Turbosmart WG's are the best.
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I went with 2 turbosmart 38mm billet wastegates on my setup.
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