Ice to air kits
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Ice to air kits Hey who makes them and is anyone running them? What amount of IAT drop are you experiencing? Anyone know where to get one? Thanks. I would rather use one instead of a FMIC when the time comes. Thanks
Most people that run A2W intercooler setups do lots of custom stuff, there isnt really just a bolt on kit for it.
You can get lots of A2W stuff premade like the cores and tanks, also you can get pumps then you just have to route your piping around and get it welded up.
Keep in mind if your car is street driven A2W intercoolers will eventually have higher IATs than A2A. They are also usually used in serious applications like cars running 10.0 and lower.
You can get lots of A2W stuff premade like the cores and tanks, also you can get pumps then you just have to route your piping around and get it welded up.
Keep in mind if your car is street driven A2W intercoolers will eventually have higher IATs than A2A. They are also usually used in serious applications like cars running 10.0 and lower.
Like said. I don't believe there is a "kit". You would have to buy each piece. Bolt it in, and than run your custom piping and hoses. A2W works great - at the track. Each run takes us about 15lbs of ice. To drive it around town????? Temp drops? Don't know for sure but on a 95degree day the piping from the I/C to T/B is cool to the touch after a run. Its funny as **** to see "dew" on the pipe 
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Car when completed will be only used for the track and maybe a short drive on Sundays to the car club meetings. Here in Vegas, the temps top out in the summertime consistently at 115+. Most metal is scorching hot to the touch. I just feel that an FMIC would be impractical here, and would prefer to fab up a kit. For as little as this would see the track, a tub of icewater would hold up long enough to get a couple of passes done. I will be going with meth also as is included in the turbo kit I am looking at sold locally here. He includes an FMIC (same kit as Zombie has), however with our temps out here, I dont see that much of an advantage. plus in the summer any breeze out here is like a blast from a furnace.
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i like the idea of water to air chargcoolers but dsont like the fact they "heat up" after time! but if the car is only being used at the track then id go the charge cooler route anyday! one thing to concider (or someone might beable to answer for me lol) is where do you guys keep all your ice?? lol do you run support veichels with freezes in them???? also do you drain the whole system and replace with already cold water as well as ice, or just drain some off and stick a loads more ice in?? and how big are your guys tanks???
sorry for all the question lol
thnaks Chris.
sorry for all the question lol
thnaks Chris.
they work better than air/air intercoolers even when there is ambient water in them.
i daily drive w/ a/w and the only thing i don't do with the car is hot lap (without changing out the water) or roadcourse.
i daily drive w/ a/w and the only thing i don't do with the car is hot lap (without changing out the water) or roadcourse.
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A2A is better in my opinion, for vegas heat. How many time do you drag race while sittin in traffic? Local TT gto has less than ambient IATs a second or two into any WOT. I've had a a2w on a gtp, and boy did that thing heat soak like a *****.
Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
they work better than air/air intercoolers even when there is ambient water in them.
i daily drive w/ a/w setup and the only thing i don't do with the car is hot lap (without changing out the water) or roadcourse.
i daily drive w/ a/w setup and the only thing i don't do with the car is hot lap (without changing out the water) or roadcourse.
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Those TTi race kit parts are badass. Any guess on how much for the cooler, water box, pump & heat exchanger with fan? I would guess $2000+. What pump does it use? I've got an idea in the back of my mind about going SD tune + reinstalling the Vortech aftercooler with a high flow pump + icebox. I have to get those parts for the race car anyway and would be curious to see what happens
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Originally Posted by RW99
Dave D, what's the plan for your cooling system? You gonna lose the AC?
I think the problem with dry ice would be the same as using liquid nitrogen, it's so cold that the water that actually gets pumped thru the system would freeze, causing all kinds of problems. If there is a way to use dry ice or liquid nitrogen, you'd probably be able to go all day and keep the IAT's insanely low... with a relativly small intercooler.
Someone should look into that... the only problem would be trying to get a supply of dry ice or liquid nitrogen.. those aren't readily available to the general public, at least not around here that I know of.
Someone should look into that... the only problem would be trying to get a supply of dry ice or liquid nitrogen.. those aren't readily available to the general public, at least not around here that I know of.
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You have saved yourself a potentially large hassle by losing the AC. Congrats.
You know, that dry ice idea is pretty appealing once you take a look at how large the A2W setup can get (hello, passenger seat)... and the challenging ambient temps., and the mass of the water/ice required. Dry ice solid itself is -109 F , so there's lots more potential to absorb heat from a metal intake tract per unit mass.
Now this is pure speculation on my part, but as the dry ice sublimates (turns directly into CO2 gas) that gas is still cold and could presumably be plumbed? If the dry ice reservoir is sealed to an exit line, I could picture an open-ended coil or sleeve around the intake?
I guess the idea comes down to a couple of questions (that I don't have the knowledge to answer):
1. What surface area of (metal) intake plumbing is required to generate the appropriate temp drop by the time the air makes it to the IAT/throttle body?
2. Given access to dry ice pellets, how can the conductive transfer of heat from the intake piping be optimized? Is there a suitable liquid that could aid in this process?
Interesting to think about, I'm sure this has already been discussed somewhere.
You know, that dry ice idea is pretty appealing once you take a look at how large the A2W setup can get (hello, passenger seat)... and the challenging ambient temps., and the mass of the water/ice required. Dry ice solid itself is -109 F , so there's lots more potential to absorb heat from a metal intake tract per unit mass.
Now this is pure speculation on my part, but as the dry ice sublimates (turns directly into CO2 gas) that gas is still cold and could presumably be plumbed? If the dry ice reservoir is sealed to an exit line, I could picture an open-ended coil or sleeve around the intake?
I guess the idea comes down to a couple of questions (that I don't have the knowledge to answer):
1. What surface area of (metal) intake plumbing is required to generate the appropriate temp drop by the time the air makes it to the IAT/throttle body?
2. Given access to dry ice pellets, how can the conductive transfer of heat from the intake piping be optimized? Is there a suitable liquid that could aid in this process?
Interesting to think about, I'm sure this has already been discussed somewhere.
I'd imagine a single tube of liquid nitrogen wrapped around a 2 foot long 3 inch pipe, would effectovely cause that piece to be well below -100 deg. F, as its' like -200 degrees, btu teh problem is that metal gets very brittle and shatters when it's that cold, engine vibration alone would break it up.
How much the intake charge would get cooled passing thru that is another question, I'm guessing the surface area alone of a 3 inch pipe wouldn't be enough to do the task regardless how cold the metal is. I think that's another one of the issues, the air has to pass across enough surface to actually have it's temp effected.. ehnce why the intercoolers are so big. Now if an intercooler was substantially colder, I'm sure it's surface area could be decreased, but by how much?
How much the intake charge would get cooled passing thru that is another question, I'm guessing the surface area alone of a 3 inch pipe wouldn't be enough to do the task regardless how cold the metal is. I think that's another one of the issues, the air has to pass across enough surface to actually have it's temp effected.. ehnce why the intercoolers are so big. Now if an intercooler was substantially colder, I'm sure it's surface area could be decreased, but by how much?
Originally Posted by caindo
A2A is better in my opinion, for vegas heat... Local TT gto has less than ambient IATs a second or two into any WOT.
Example: If ambient temps are 115, and the IC is 85% efficient, and the blower output is 280F, then the IC outlet temp should be right around 140. Still not bad for a blown motor.
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I think that's another one of the issues, the air has to pass across enough surface to actually have it's temp effected..