ProCharger cam recommendations...
07-07-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kp
heh, I made 678rwhp with 211 degrees of exh duration @ .050 and .525 lift.
Just think how much you would have made with more exhaust? Bet you'll find out with your new cam!
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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07-07-2006, 04:33 PM
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Kp I bet you go over 700 with the new cam and driveability will not be affected one bit. The Thunder Blower cam if it is anyhting like the CheaTRcam is like the Z06 cam on steroids-without the acne.
07-07-2006, 04:38 PM
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Incorrect.
your recommendation:
212/230 .580/.592 112LSA +2
suggested "blower cam":
214/230 .601/.575 117 LSA
Am I THAT confused?
07-07-2006, 04:47 PM
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What I'm saying is that more lift on the intake vs. exhaust is perfectly acceptable in a blower application. Thunder's blower cam will work better on a Vette or F-body than a 5.3L truck motor, hence my crazy specs. Slowhawk is right as usual, there's no 1 cam that's ideal for all blower applications. Prochargers like one thing where a Magnacharger may like something else. A 5.3L truck may like something different than a 408, yada yada.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
LS1,LS2,LS3,LS7,LT1 Custom Camshaft Specialist For custom camshaft help press here.
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07-07-2006, 05:05 PM
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Cool, then we ARE on the same page...
TR "blower cam" ...yes...for blower in general...
suggested grind...better for MY application...
TR "blower cam" ...yes...for blower in general...
suggested grind...better for MY application...
07-07-2006, 06:21 PM
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Just FYI, the spec's on the CheatR and the Blower cams from Thunder look identical. However, I think they are actually different lobes that have quicker ramps as under .050" to further cut down on overlap.
Mike
Mike
07-08-2006, 08:07 AM
#29
Originally Posted by Superado
Thanks for chiming in Bob...I had e-mailed you via your website, but info here is great, and I'm sure your e-mail gets swamped...
I thought the GT2-3 would be more for a Radix type SC set-up though, one that has low-end power, unlike the ProCharger. However, after looking at the specs again...207/220 571/.578 w 1.7 rocker 118.5 CL...it is similar to the ATI's suggested splits in duration and lift. The LSA is significantly higher though.
Everyone, I am somewhat cam illiterate, so thank you for your patience and explanations...the real world experience that you share is much better than theories, for sure.
Also, do you guys feel the same about LS6 springs and hardened 7.4 pushrods being the only required upgrades...re-using the stock rockers?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks again guys for all of your replies.
I thought the GT2-3 would be more for a Radix type SC set-up though, one that has low-end power, unlike the ProCharger. However, after looking at the specs again...207/220 571/.578 w 1.7 rocker 118.5 CL...it is similar to the ATI's suggested splits in duration and lift. The LSA is significantly higher though.
Everyone, I am somewhat cam illiterate, so thank you for your patience and explanations...the real world experience that you share is much better than theories, for sure.
Also, do you guys feel the same about LS6 springs and hardened 7.4 pushrods being the only required upgrades...re-using the stock rockers?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks again guys for all of your replies.
Comp 918 springs and hardened 7.4 pushrods, along with the stock rockers are what I would suggest. Bob
07-10-2006, 12:22 AM
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go with double springs its good insurance. I've heard too many stories of guys breaking one spring and the one thing that saved the valve from smashing against the piston was the other spring.
its good insurance to have.
its good insurance to have.
07-10-2006, 10:59 AM
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Patrick G.. You seem like the Cam expert... Just how Bad is the HOTCAM ?? Also I have Jessel 1.8 rockers which brings my total lift to .555
I did 621 RWHP w/11psi of boost P1SC blower, Stage 1 heads w/stock valves, hotcam 218/227 .525 .525 112LSA, 1.8 rockers, 9.1 to 1 compression, ported weiand intake, SLP LT headers no cats.
Now I have the D1SC w/15psi of boost, everything else the same. My seat of the pants feels close to 700 RWHP but how much more could I have with a bigger cam on this 15psi FI setup..
THX clint..
I did 621 RWHP w/11psi of boost P1SC blower, Stage 1 heads w/stock valves, hotcam 218/227 .525 .525 112LSA, 1.8 rockers, 9.1 to 1 compression, ported weiand intake, SLP LT headers no cats.
Now I have the D1SC w/15psi of boost, everything else the same. My seat of the pants feels close to 700 RWHP but how much more could I have with a bigger cam on this 15psi FI setup..
THX clint..
07-10-2006, 12:48 PM
#36
Originally Posted by HUGGER ORANGE SS
Patrick G.. You seem like the Cam expert... Just how Bad is the HOTCAM ?? Also I have Jessel 1.8 rockers which brings my total lift to .555
I did 621 RWHP w/11psi of boost P1SC blower, Stage 1 heads w/stock valves, hotcam 218/227 .525 .525 112LSA, 1.8 rockers, 9.1 to 1 compression, ported weiand intake, SLP LT headers no cats.
Now I have the D1SC w/15psi of boost, everything else the same. My seat of the pants feels close to 700 RWHP but how much more could I have with a bigger cam on this 15psi FI setup..
THX clint..
I did 621 RWHP w/11psi of boost P1SC blower, Stage 1 heads w/stock valves, hotcam 218/227 .525 .525 112LSA, 1.8 rockers, 9.1 to 1 compression, ported weiand intake, SLP LT headers no cats.
Now I have the D1SC w/15psi of boost, everything else the same. My seat of the pants feels close to 700 RWHP but how much more could I have with a bigger cam on this 15psi FI setup..
THX clint..
As much power as you're making, I'm not sure if you'd pick up enough power to make it worth the swap.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
LS1,LS2,LS3,LS7,LT1 Custom Camshaft Specialist For custom camshaft help press here.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
LS1,LS2,LS3,LS7,LT1 Custom Camshaft Specialist For custom camshaft help press here.
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07-10-2006, 12:55 PM
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What about single pattern cams? I'm sure a single pattern cam would make great torque/hp for a boost application in the single digits-i.e. under 10psi. I'm actually thinking of trying out the "old" B1 Lunati cam 221/221 (283/283) .558/.558 114+4. If you don't want to buzz the motor forever and want to make gobs of power/torque under the curve I'm sure this would cam would a solid punch on the street/track-especially when a 6 speed is concerned. What do you guys think of this dirty " old school" cam?
11-19-2006, 06:20 PM
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Bob
what do you think of the thunder racing 214-230 601/575 117 LSA + 1 degree (116cl)
Blower cam.
I am very interested in this Blower cam, and i like the idea of the extra exhause duration and lift.
Help us out
thanks
what do you think of the thunder racing 214-230 601/575 117 LSA + 1 degree (116cl)
Blower cam.
I am very interested in this Blower cam, and i like the idea of the extra exhause duration and lift.
Help us out
thanks
11-20-2006, 05:53 AM
#39
Originally Posted by Lawnboy
Bob
what do you think of the thunder racing 214-230 601/575 117 LSA + 1 degree (116cl)
Blower cam.
I am very interested in this Blower cam, and i like the idea of the extra exhause duration and lift.
Help us out
thanks
what do you think of the thunder racing 214-230 601/575 117 LSA + 1 degree (116cl)
Blower cam.
I am very interested in this Blower cam, and i like the idea of the extra exhause duration and lift.
Help us out
thanks
I know the cam we have been using also works very well in many applications.
Dur @ .050 232 int 240 exh
Lift .595 int .608 exh
Lobe Sep 115.0
Bob
