Is Magna Charger worth it??
08-25-2006, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
If you're looking for those peak numbers past 600 rwhp, then the Magnacharger is not the blower for you.
Now, if you want one damned good-looking powerband, the best on an LS1 IMO (aside from the Vette KB) can be had with this blower... Area under the curve... Nothing linear.
I'd rather have a 450 rwhp Maggie LS1 than a 550 rwhp centrifugal blown LS1 IMO. If you want to take it to ~700 rwhp and up, you'll need that D-1SC, though... Unless one day they make a bigger Roots/Twin Screw for F-bodies.
Now, if you want one damned good-looking powerband, the best on an LS1 IMO (aside from the Vette KB) can be had with this blower... Area under the curve... Nothing linear.
I'd rather have a 450 rwhp Maggie LS1 than a 550 rwhp centrifugal blown LS1 IMO. If you want to take it to ~700 rwhp and up, you'll need that D-1SC, though... Unless one day they make a bigger Roots/Twin Screw for F-bodies.
08-25-2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix64
I don't get it? A roots produces an even more linear powerband than a centrifiugal?
Originally Posted by bboyferal
Now, if you want one damned good-looking powerband, the best on an LS1 IMO (aside from the Vette KB) can be had with this blower... Area under the curve... Nothing linear.
08-25-2006, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mazdized
Ok.... the claim Magna makes is with a stock motor. What happens if you put a blower cam in it? I need the set up to be 100% reliable with out any issue. Is the tunning they supply issue free? This is not going into a GTO, Vette, or F body so I don't care about fitment issue.
Any Mag's here had any problems? Other than people being pissed it's not big enough to go past ~600 rwhp?
08-25-2006, 08:10 PM
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The best way I can describe the feeling of a Magna is having a big stroker engine. Something like a 455ci smallblock. Full boost at low rpm, with a huge torque graph that is nearly flat across. The physical size of the blower limits the max HP though, at around 600 rwhp. That is with a 90mm t-body. The 78mm t-body is the bottleneck on kits with that size t-body, those taper off at 525 rwhp max.
The kit I had on my '69 Camaro was a 78mm setup. Made 505 rwhp, 500 ft-lbs at 9.5 psi boost. 232/232/114 cam and ported heads. The t-body was the restriction, and my 9.0:1 CR shortblock was too low of compression for the Magna (engine was built originally for turbos). With a 90mm t-body and 10.0 CR, it would have made 600 rwhp.
The kit on my '05 Corvette has a 90mm t-body. I pulled 550 rwhp, 520 ft-lbs with the exact same cam I had in the '69, and headers. This is on a stock LS2, unported heads. The amazing part is that it made those numbers at only 5.5 psi boost.
The kit I had on my '69 Camaro was a 78mm setup. Made 505 rwhp, 500 ft-lbs at 9.5 psi boost. 232/232/114 cam and ported heads. The t-body was the restriction, and my 9.0:1 CR shortblock was too low of compression for the Magna (engine was built originally for turbos). With a 90mm t-body and 10.0 CR, it would have made 600 rwhp.
The kit on my '05 Corvette has a 90mm t-body. I pulled 550 rwhp, 520 ft-lbs with the exact same cam I had in the '69, and headers. This is on a stock LS2, unported heads. The amazing part is that it made those numbers at only 5.5 psi boost.
08-25-2006, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mazdized
Ok.... the claim Magna makes is with a stock motor. What happens if you put a blower cam in it? I need the set up to be 100% reliable with out any issue. Is the tunning they supply issue free? This is not going into a GTO, Vette, or F body so I don't care about fitment issue.
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08-26-2006, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The best way I can describe the feeling of a Magna is having a big stroker engine. Something like a 455ci smallblock. Full boost at low rpm, with a huge torque graph that is nearly flat across. The physical size of the blower limits the max HP though, at around 600 rwhp. That is with a 90mm t-body. The 78mm t-body is the bottleneck on kits with that size t-body, those taper off at 525 rwhp max.
The kit I had on my '69 Camaro was a 78mm setup. Made 505 rwhp, 500 ft-lbs at 9.5 psi boost. 232/232/114 cam and ported heads. The t-body was the restriction, and my 9.0:1 CR shortblock was too low of compression for the Magna (engine was built originally for turbos). With a 90mm t-body and 10.0 CR, it would have made 600 rwhp.
The kit on my '05 Corvette has a 90mm t-body. I pulled 550 rwhp, 520 ft-lbs with the exact same cam I had in the '69, and headers. This is on a stock LS2, unported heads. The amazing part is that it made those numbers at only 5.5 psi boost.
The kit I had on my '69 Camaro was a 78mm setup. Made 505 rwhp, 500 ft-lbs at 9.5 psi boost. 232/232/114 cam and ported heads. The t-body was the restriction, and my 9.0:1 CR shortblock was too low of compression for the Magna (engine was built originally for turbos). With a 90mm t-body and 10.0 CR, it would have made 600 rwhp.
The kit on my '05 Corvette has a 90mm t-body. I pulled 550 rwhp, 520 ft-lbs with the exact same cam I had in the '69, and headers. This is on a stock LS2, unported heads. The amazing part is that it made those numbers at only 5.5 psi boost.
I see, thanks for the real life experience. Well my motor is pretty much a stock 2001 motor with ported stock throttle body, 1 3/4 primary headers, 224 .591 112LSA cam, and ARP rod bolts. If I can get close too 500 rwhp then it would be cool, any more I think the lower end would have issues. Thaks for the heads up on the TB may be restrictive.
08-26-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The best way I can describe the feeling of a Magna is having a big stroker engine. Something like a 455ci smallblock. Full boost at low rpm, with a huge torque graph that is nearly flat across. The physical size of the blower limits the max HP though, at around 600 rwhp. That is with a 90mm t-body. The 78mm t-body is the bottleneck on kits with that size t-body, those taper off at 525 rwhp max.
The kit I had on my '69 Camaro was a 78mm setup. Made 505 rwhp, 500 ft-lbs at 9.5 psi boost. 232/232/114 cam and ported heads. The t-body was the restriction, and my 9.0:1 CR shortblock was too low of compression for the Magna (engine was built originally for turbos). With a 90mm t-body and 10.0 CR, it would have made 600 rwhp.
The kit on my '05 Corvette has a 90mm t-body. I pulled 550 rwhp, 520 ft-lbs with the exact same cam I had in the '69, and headers. This is on a stock LS2, unported heads. The amazing part is that it made those numbers at only 5.5 psi boost.
The kit I had on my '69 Camaro was a 78mm setup. Made 505 rwhp, 500 ft-lbs at 9.5 psi boost. 232/232/114 cam and ported heads. The t-body was the restriction, and my 9.0:1 CR shortblock was too low of compression for the Magna (engine was built originally for turbos). With a 90mm t-body and 10.0 CR, it would have made 600 rwhp.
The kit on my '05 Corvette has a 90mm t-body. I pulled 550 rwhp, 520 ft-lbs with the exact same cam I had in the '69, and headers. This is on a stock LS2, unported heads. The amazing part is that it made those numbers at only 5.5 psi boost.
I thought you are running a 230/230, 114 cam, right?
08-26-2006, 11:09 PM
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If you are thinking about getting a Maggy I would wait. Rumor is that they are coming out with 2 new blowers. I believe one is the MP112h whihc is the same size but with different rotors. The other is a MP122h which is suppose to be able to feed a 400+ CID motor. From what I understand it is still in testing phase. We will see.
08-27-2006, 08:19 AM
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The MP122 is pretty much ready to go. It will be available by itself and it looks like it can be specified when ordering a complete kit. That wouldn't come with tuning and an EO decal.
08-27-2006, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tbyrne
The MP122 is pretty much ready to go. It will be available by itself and it looks like it can be specified when ordering a complete kit. That wouldn't come with tuning and an EO decal.
08-27-2006, 04:18 PM
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ok heres another real world example of a maggy. mine. see sig.
stock tuned 322h/326tq.
475h/465tq @ 7lbs of boost. full torque at 2400rpms.
before buying the maggy system i posted up on the vette forum looking for rides for comparing diff setups. heres a list of the rides that i took with local vette members:
h/c, : 6 diff cars
procharger, : 3 diff cars
vortech, : 2 diff cars
n20, : 7 diff cars.
single turbo: 1
twin turbo : 3 diff cars
the torque right off idle was something that the maggy shined in.
h/c, meh got old real quick in all 6 cars. more of a top end only feel.
procharger, was friggin impressive. but the maggy would take ALL of them from a hook. on the hwy prochargers really shined. STUPID fast. but actually useless in a real world situation. all top end.
vortech. almost the exact same as the procharger, but didnt feel quite at strong at peak rpms.
n20. I LIKE THE HIT!!! normal driving. then wham!! totally fun. but maintenance, empty bottles, and the lack of understanding at the time shyed me away.
single turbo. nice, but seemed like a high maintenance setup. we had to stop 3 diff times in 2hrs. oiling issue, bov wasnt working..etc.
twin turbo.....HOLY F'N ****!!!. nowhere near the feel or pwr down low, but damn. from a 60-100punch...hang on for dear life. 1st and last time i ever saw 195mph, and got there quick from a 100punch. I WANTED THAT SETUP, but after investigating the costs involved i could buy and build 2 complete vettes with maggys and have a decent fund left for tires.
found the best for me, daily driven was the maggy. i have NO maintenance. once installed and tuned. go play. been 17mo and still happy.
down side, IMO. is the fact your are forced into a cowl hood. i dont like cowls.
frustration issue:
got sick and tired of hitting 11.01, .03, .05's in the 1/4.
my 60fts are consistent at 1.5-1.60 with mt et dr's (17in). wanted a 10sec pass so bad...it was soooo close, but jsut couldnt hit it.
installed a small 30h dry shot....and boy oh boy did this change things up.
best to date is in sig, but the last time out 6wks ago in 105* temps and humidity so sticky that you were sweating the entire night just standing there.
still pulled 10.92@125+.
maggy's really like the cold air of a dry shot.
so with the testing, rides in other cars with diff setups. the maggy is a solid choice.
personal opinion is that the vette should have came with one from the factory. good combo.
FWIW
stock tuned 322h/326tq.
475h/465tq @ 7lbs of boost. full torque at 2400rpms.
before buying the maggy system i posted up on the vette forum looking for rides for comparing diff setups. heres a list of the rides that i took with local vette members:
h/c, : 6 diff cars
procharger, : 3 diff cars
vortech, : 2 diff cars
n20, : 7 diff cars.
single turbo: 1
twin turbo : 3 diff cars
the torque right off idle was something that the maggy shined in.
h/c, meh got old real quick in all 6 cars. more of a top end only feel.
procharger, was friggin impressive. but the maggy would take ALL of them from a hook. on the hwy prochargers really shined. STUPID fast. but actually useless in a real world situation. all top end.
vortech. almost the exact same as the procharger, but didnt feel quite at strong at peak rpms.
n20. I LIKE THE HIT!!! normal driving. then wham!! totally fun. but maintenance, empty bottles, and the lack of understanding at the time shyed me away.
single turbo. nice, but seemed like a high maintenance setup. we had to stop 3 diff times in 2hrs. oiling issue, bov wasnt working..etc.
twin turbo.....HOLY F'N ****!!!. nowhere near the feel or pwr down low, but damn. from a 60-100punch...hang on for dear life. 1st and last time i ever saw 195mph, and got there quick from a 100punch. I WANTED THAT SETUP, but after investigating the costs involved i could buy and build 2 complete vettes with maggys and have a decent fund left for tires.
found the best for me, daily driven was the maggy. i have NO maintenance. once installed and tuned. go play. been 17mo and still happy.
down side, IMO. is the fact your are forced into a cowl hood. i dont like cowls.
frustration issue:
got sick and tired of hitting 11.01, .03, .05's in the 1/4.
my 60fts are consistent at 1.5-1.60 with mt et dr's (17in). wanted a 10sec pass so bad...it was soooo close, but jsut couldnt hit it.
installed a small 30h dry shot....and boy oh boy did this change things up.
best to date is in sig, but the last time out 6wks ago in 105* temps and humidity so sticky that you were sweating the entire night just standing there.
still pulled 10.92@125+.
maggy's really like the cold air of a dry shot.
so with the testing, rides in other cars with diff setups. the maggy is a solid choice.
personal opinion is that the vette should have came with one from the factory. good combo.
FWIW
08-27-2006, 09:12 PM
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maggie, cam and spray are fun.......
if possible I'd get a KB though.
I've had mine 2yrs now and I would still keep my maggie rather than an ATI or Vortech......I am at a point now though where I want more and I dont like being limited. The low end though is just awesome.
if possible I'd get a KB though.
I've had mine 2yrs now and I would still keep my maggie rather than an ATI or Vortech......I am at a point now though where I want more and I dont like being limited. The low end though is just awesome.
08-27-2006, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
That KB, though, cannot be looked away from easily.
i agree...but the cowl hood is even taller/bigger than the ones for the maggy.
