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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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Default APS Twin Turbo....thoughts???

Here's a link. It looks great to me but I know little about turbos.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/555463-first-pic-aps-c5-twin-intercooled-twin-turbo-system.html
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Fixed your title. Based on the pics I have seen posted here and on CF, kit looks like good quality. What was the retail on this kit?
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Fixed your title. Based on the pics I have seen posted here and on CF, kit looks like good quality. What was the retail on this kit?
Thank you!
I'm slightly dyslexic... oh, well.

They haven't posted pricing yet. Looks a lot like the LPE setup - visually.
Thanks for your opinion John.
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 11:34 AM
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Fix your eyes on this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555463

All your answers, including pricing info, are in there.
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by StoleIt
Fix your eyes on this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555463

All your answers, including pricing info, are in there.
Thanks man for the link!
But, I don't see definitive pricing in that thread....maybe I'm going blind?
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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The kit looks -very- well engineered and will probably make an excellent bolton setup.
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mdhmi
The kit looks -very- well engineered and will probably make an excellent bolton setup.
Hay Mark.... We miss ya over on the other site.....WTF happened????


Back on topic..... I LOVE the APS kit.. Its gonna be a monster..
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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For the life of me I cant figure out why people think its a OEM quality engineered kit. I mean come on, a ton of flex tube and clamps topped off with multiple smashed tubes. Alsom is it my imagination or have the "not so pretty parts" of this kit been kept from general public. Hell they went so far as to photochop pics.

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I can tell you first hand that the kits are super high quality. APS is a large company with deep resources in manufacturing. These kits are not made as one off's. Fit and finish is spot on.

Currently there is not a kit available for the F-body. The C6 kits is completed and the C5 is shortly behind. Believe it or not they are working on an LS7 kit trying to work around the crappy pistons.

Anyone going to SEMA can check out there kit at there booth as it was shipped to Vegas a couple weeks ago.

I don't have the price sheet in front of me but will post the retail prices when I am back in the shop.
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Originally Posted by Redline-Motorsports
I can tell you first hand that the kits are super high quality. APS is a large company with deep resources in manufacturing. These kits are not made as one off's. Fit and finish is spot on.

Currently there is not a kit available for the F-body. The C6 kits is completed and the C5 is shortly behind. Believe it or not they are working on an LS7 kit trying to work around the crappy pistons.

Anyone going to SEMA can check out there kit at there booth as it was shipped to Vegas a couple weeks ago.

I don't have the price sheet in front of me but will post the retail prices when I am back in the shop.
Thanks Howard!
Will you do APS TT installs??

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Got this from another thread:

The exciting news is that the MSRP for the APS C5 intercooled twin turbo system will be set at $7995 (that's much less than what I was expecting), that's for the complete intercooled twin turbo system (just add your own fuel system), which includes every nut, bolt and washer required for the twin turbo install.
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For a street application from 346ci to 383ci I think this setup is going to kick some major Azz!!!
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StoleIt- Thanks for the pricing info!

VINCE - would it work well on a 427??
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Looks like a very well thought out and put together kit. I'm just curious as to how it performs . I mean real peoples cars not there shop cars
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Originally Posted by 99Fbody99
For the life of me I cant figure out why people think its a OEM quality engineered kit. I mean come on, a ton of flex tube and clamps topped off with multiple smashed tubes. Alsom is it my imagination or have the "not so pretty parts" of this kit been kept from general public. Hell they went so far as to photochop pics.

Dave
What other kit has cast iron manifolds, water cooled ball bearing turbos?

When all you have now to work with is fabricated parts, a cast part, is much closer to what the OEM's would have used if they were building a turbo kit.

Ryan
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Originally Posted by Bink
StoleIt- Thanks for the pricing info!

VINCE - would it work well on a 427??
I would say it wouldn't be be based on the flow rates (50lbs/min), but wait till they try it on a 42X motor before you buy.
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Originally Posted by StoleIt
Got this from another thread:

The exciting news is that the MSRP for the APS C5 intercooled twin turbo system will be set at $7995 (that's much less than what I was expecting), that's for the complete intercooled twin turbo system (just add your own fuel system), which includes every nut, bolt and washer required for the twin turbo install.
Sounds like my Incon...but here are the real prices..

Paid $7,500 for a new, 100% complete kit minus fuel, gauges, and tuning..

At $11k+ it's finally installed and it's a gem... but you should know that it's gonna be @ least $10k and that's with cutting corners. (Not to mention labor) The devil's in the details. Just expect it.

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The only thing I don't like about the kit is the oil pump return for the turbos. I like to take long 700-1000 mile trips. And I don't want to worry about getting left on the side of the road when an electric oil pump goes bad. I know STS also uses this, but its just one little thing to go bad over time. I prefer straight oil drain back to the pan with turbos mounted up front...
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Originally Posted by Bink
VINCE - would it work well on a 427??
From past experience, these turbos will be good for at least 800 whp on a forged 427 cube engine with the right head/cam combination and through engine tuning.

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Originally Posted by chriswtx
The only thing I don't like about the kit is the oil pump return for the turbos. I like to take long 700-1000 mile trips. And I don't want to worry about getting left on the side of the road when an electric oil pump goes bad. I know STS also uses this, but its just one little thing to go bad over time. I prefer straight oil drain back to the pan with turbos mounted up front...
I can understand your thoughts on the oil return issue though I can assure you there is one distinct advantage to the electric oil pump return system over gravity feed for a C5 twin turbo engine.

It's a very difficult process to return the turbo oil back into the oil pan on the C5 engine when going with the gravity drain oil return approach. You or the installer would need to drill and tap two holes into the engine block above engine oil level and this is extremely difficult to do with the engine in the car.

On the other hand when using a high quaility electric pump to return the turbo oil to the engine, the install is much easier/cleaner as the oil can be returned via the valve cover by simply removing the valve cover and drilling and tapping one hole and screwing in the drain return fitting and connecting the return hose. Job done and you don't need to worry about any swarf getting inside the engine, all good. I'd say that fitting the electric oil pump including running the oil lines and installing the return fitting into the valve cover would be a 75 minute install approx where as drilling and tapping 2 drain holes in the block or oil pan for a gravity drain system would take at least 5 hours, maybe longer.

On the electric oil pump durability issue our engineering team ran the electric oil pump for 336 hours without rest (the pump got very warm though the oil return performance never altered) and measured the oil return performance, the oil return volume was virtaully unchanged after this gruelling oil pump durability test. In addition our engineering guys conducted testing with the oil return pump, 8 hours running then 2 hours rest, for over 2 weeks to heat cycle the oil pump from cold to hot, cold to hot, cold to hot, etc, etc. This durability test went on for another 300 odd hours so I can confidently say that the APS electric oil return pump can easily cope with long 700 to 1000 mile trips without any worry or stress over the long term, hope that helps.

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