View Poll Results: If you want a 750+ hp car, what is your past experience?
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How many 1000 hp dreamers have had over 500 rwhp?
12-12-2006, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by EdmontonSS
Call me a dreamer... I have almost 400 rwhp now. I am putting a cam, and fuel system in this winter to get hopefully in the 420-430 range. Then I plan on a 150 dry shot. I am afraid this will be the limit of the stock short-block. I am hoping to hit 600 rwhp with nitrous... And at least a few times before I blow the engine. I am hoping this will confirm whether or not I really want a 600+ horse car on the street. The way I look at it... 600 HP in a minimum allowable horsepower level for these cars on the street... We don't Ferrari Enzo's walking all over us (do we?)... I am aware that controlling that kind of power is a major issue, which is why I've done the suspension/brake work first. If I like the power and want even more I plan on getting Speed Inc's new street-twin kit with a fully forged engine, this with supporting accesories looks good for the 1000 (flywheel) horsepower mark easily. Until the Speed Inc twin kit came out I was strongly considering a Procharger D1SC, all the other kits were too compromised in my books. I think that with kits coming out without packaging, ground clearance issues, or loosing AC, capable of 1000 HP, there will be a lot more 1000 HP street cars out and about. I mean, this whole hobby is about "keeping-up" with the Jonses... Back in the day, a stripped Model-T pushing out 40 HP was considered outrageous. With modern technology, sooner or later... 1000 HP may become the "norm"! The only thing I can see happening to stop the trend is some real legislation, something that says "no one needs more than XXX HP for the street...." (notice that's three XXX's NOT four...) I mean growing up I always wanted a muscle car, I thought that cars like that would never be built again. Now, with what has happened to cars, since basically, the LS1 came out... I don't want any muscle car, not at the price they're fetching anyway (I think so many people are clueless, especially around here, of what modern technology is capable of), and think one day everyone is going to catch on and realize this is the new golden age of hot-rodding. One thousand horsepower is the new "standard", or will be soon... Whether people need it or can handle it or not (why I see that legislation happening). It's too easy to do and money is cheap... Welcome to "1000 HP era"!
You have 400+ rwhp and have not done a cam swap yet???????
12-12-2006, 01:30 PM
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I have a Full bolt-on Lt1 that makes around 300RWHP and about that in TQ. The fastest car I have road in is my Brothers 06 C6 that makes 407 and 411 RWTQ, that thing is a Rocket.
The motor I am building I have been spending money on for the last 2.5 years and I should be finished by the summer. The car should do 650-700RWHP with the 3.2 Blower pulley on the D1SC. I have over 15,000 dollars worth of parts in my shop and I will be ording about 4,000 dollars more in January for the 4L80E setup, and I still have to buy a rearend
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I guess I would be one of the guys that doesn't know what I am getting into, lol
The motor I am building I have been spending money on for the last 2.5 years and I should be finished by the summer. The car should do 650-700RWHP with the 3.2 Blower pulley on the D1SC. I have over 15,000 dollars worth of parts in my shop and I will be ording about 4,000 dollars more in January for the 4L80E setup, and I still have to buy a rearend
.I guess I would be one of the guys that doesn't know what I am getting into, lol
12-12-2006, 01:37 PM
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Don't see nothing wrong with people wanting big power DD's. All I can do is tell em what to expect $$ wise when reaching for that goal and good luck to em when trying to hit that goal. I really think its easier with todays engine packages, tuning technology, and power adders for most people to have a big power DD than it was say 10-15 yrs ago.
Keep up the big goals guys, boards and sponsors love ya for dropping every last dime you have on fufilling that power need
Links to said posts?? maybe i'm missing em...looked 3 pages back and didn't really see one that stood out
J
Keep up the big goals guys, boards and sponsors love ya for dropping every last dime you have on fufilling that power need
Links to said posts?? maybe i'm missing em...looked 3 pages back and didn't really see one that stood out
J
12-12-2006, 01:42 PM
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lots of 1000 hp dreamers here but i think its the younger guys that are so caught up in numbers. I got a little ole 526 rwhp car and it runs pretty damn stout.
honestly i think 750 rwhp would be plenty for me, all i need want is a bigger/blower and some spray. combine that with a car that hooks good and you gotta bad azz machine.
honestly i think 750 rwhp would be plenty for me, all i need want is a bigger/blower and some spray. combine that with a car that hooks good and you gotta bad azz machine.
12-12-2006, 01:50 PM
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Have to admit I have not had over 450whp in an F-body and that was boring pretty quickly. I have however had a tunnel rammed 540bbc powered chevelle SS with dual demons and about 750hp. Dont talk to me about torque. Had a muncie 4 speed in it and didnt really matter what gear or what speed, tires were toast 335/50/16 cheaters.
I do admit with the orgin of the thread. For what I want to do, its probably going to run around $12K and most folks cant justify that into a car.
Brandon
I do admit with the orgin of the thread. For what I want to do, its probably going to run around $12K and most folks cant justify that into a car.
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12-12-2006, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by STRIPSTAR
I think his point is that its extremely expensive and complicated to build a 700+ rwhp car that can be truly daily driven. Ajustible boost setups like lingenfelter can do it but they are very pricey. Then when and if you build the 700+ whp car you cant use that much power on the street anyway.
i had no problem planting the power (700+HP) from a 55 punch (4.10 gears) w/ 315/35/17 BFG DR's.
but now i'll be on 325/50/15 MT DR's
12-12-2006, 01:52 PM
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I see exactly where you are coming from nineball. I have seen a lot of people making random posts about making 1k hp that prob. don't have a car with any mods done at all. With the LSx motors 500 hp is really not hard to achieve anymore, hell a cam and spray and you are there in a lot of cases. Plus with production cars coming out with 500+ hp off the showroom floor you almost have to have 500+ in a car to hold your own on the street.
Its one thing to dream and talk about owning a 1k hp car, but before you post something about what it takes to build one just do a search there are TONS of other people that have asked the same thing before.
Its one thing to dream and talk about owning a 1k hp car, but before you post something about what it takes to build one just do a search there are TONS of other people that have asked the same thing before.
12-12-2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TINKRD
just depends on how much rubber you got out back.
i had no problem planting the power (700+HP) from a 55 punch (4.10 gears) w/ 315/35/17 BFG DR's.
but now i'll be on 325/50/15 MT DR's
i had no problem planting the power (700+HP) from a 55 punch (4.10 gears) w/ 315/35/17 BFG DR's.
but now i'll be on 325/50/15 MT DR's
Again daily drive(safe?) wouldn't be high tech race rubber. If you live up north you can only drive that stuff in summer. My point from before that if you are doing DD thats 750+ is stupid expensive and people that do have them are rare and should be admired.
12-12-2006, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by STRIPSTAR
I think his point is that its extremely expensive and complicated to build a 700+ rwhp car that can be truly daily driven. Then when and if you build the 700+ whp car you cant use that much power on the street anyway.
This is a poll to see how many people truly understand what a 1000 hp car is all about. I've given a few dreamers rides in my various 500-600 rwhp street cars, and it scared the **** out of them. They had no clue what 500 rwhp feels like, much less 1000 hp. The difference between a 415 rwhp heads/cam car and a 500 rwhp stroker car are also MUCH different. That stroker car will feel much more crazy than a heads/cam car will, and we are only talking ~75 hp peak difference.
Too many dreamers get tied up in the numbers game, but don't fully understand what they are wanting to build. I always recommend building a 500 rwhp car first, then seeing if you actually want more than that. I've known several guys that had shops build them 600+ rwhp cars, but they are scared of their own cars and won't even floor them. That is just stupid!
12-12-2006, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mike#9
What is your setup?
You have 400+ rwhp and have not done a cam swap yet???????
You have 400+ rwhp and have not done a cam swap yet???????
12-12-2006, 02:27 PM
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If you want a 750+ hp car, what is your past experience?
I noticed most of the guys posting already have street cars over 750hp and have had previous cars over 500hp.
Second Tony is right, most of the guys asking about 1k hp cars truely have no idea what a 500hp car feels like, costs to build and the depth they will go to make it street driven. Hint guys with the money to make 1k hp aren't asking; they are building, lol.
Lastly only eccentric crazed individuals would even want 1k hp in a street driven vehicle of which im working to be a member of that elite group of wasteful spenders.
I noticed most of the guys posting already have street cars over 750hp and have had previous cars over 500hp.
Second Tony is right, most of the guys asking about 1k hp cars truely have no idea what a 500hp car feels like, costs to build and the depth they will go to make it street driven. Hint guys with the money to make 1k hp aren't asking; they are building, lol.
Lastly only eccentric crazed individuals would even want 1k hp in a street driven vehicle of which im working to be a member of that elite group of wasteful spenders.
12-12-2006, 02:29 PM
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I'd love a 1000 horsepower car, my 99 TA had bolts-ons with 2 stages of nitrous. One dry stage, one wet, totaling 200 shot. Never had it dynoed though but should of been right at 500 horsepower. The 2 stages when properly set apart didn't break street tires loose. 650 or so horsepower wouldn't be bad at all on the street, 750 to 1000 would probably have a little learning curve depending on the power adder. It definitely wouldn't be possible to harness a 1000 horsepower nitrous car on the street but twin turbo/supercharged applications should be very drivable.
12-12-2006, 02:35 PM
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wow, my vote really does count! 
its my dads race car, but i've been around the track in it a couple times on test days
66 Stingray vert with 67 front fenders
427 bored ot to a little over 454
~730 rwhp
~680 lbs/tq
dad raced it a lot in SCCA, Vintage, VARA (
), and NASA..all with the big bore series..pretty much dominated the whole Edelbrock family (both daughters and Vic)
over the summer i'm geting into formula ford racing, and working my way up to formula B, and then ont the 66 Vette..and it will probably then be mine
you can see our garage in the last couple pages of the garage thread in tools/fab to see what else i have experience in
my Camaro I'm planning on a TT setup for over 1000 (on mid boost)...but thats probably a few years off..unless next couple years goes well (then maybe sooner)..but it's def NOT going to be a DD, weekend cruiser and setup for track days (probably turn the boost down). but when the car gets to that ponit, i'll have put enough $ into it that it probably just wont be worth it to me to drive a lot..especially on the street
its my dads race car, but i've been around the track in it a couple times on test days
66 Stingray vert with 67 front fenders
427 bored ot to a little over 454
~730 rwhp
~680 lbs/tq
dad raced it a lot in SCCA, Vintage, VARA (
), and NASA..all with the big bore series..pretty much dominated the whole Edelbrock family (both daughters and Vic)over the summer i'm geting into formula ford racing, and working my way up to formula B, and then ont the 66 Vette..and it will probably then be mine
you can see our garage in the last couple pages of the garage thread in tools/fab to see what else i have experience in
my Camaro I'm planning on a TT setup for over 1000 (on mid boost)...but thats probably a few years off..unless next couple years goes well (then maybe sooner)..but it's def NOT going to be a DD, weekend cruiser and setup for track days (probably turn the boost down). but when the car gets to that ponit, i'll have put enough $ into it that it probably just wont be worth it to me to drive a lot..especially on the street
12-12-2006, 02:42 PM
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Being one of the low power guys I will chime in. First, I would not classify myself as a 1000 hp dreamer. I never have wanted that much power.
My car has been approximately 450 rwhp on the bottle. I have ridden in a 490 rwhp stroker 2001 vette, and a few older musclecars with healthy big blocks.
My current goal for my car is to reach 500-550 rwhp. That is all for now. I am still learning and figuring out what I want to do with the car. When on the bottle the car was a blast, but I wanted a touch more power and power all the time without the nitrous hassles. That was my main motivation for going turbo, not a goal of 1000 hp.
My car has been approximately 450 rwhp on the bottle. I have ridden in a 490 rwhp stroker 2001 vette, and a few older musclecars with healthy big blocks.
My current goal for my car is to reach 500-550 rwhp. That is all for now. I am still learning and figuring out what I want to do with the car. When on the bottle the car was a blast, but I wanted a touch more power and power all the time without the nitrous hassles. That was my main motivation for going turbo, not a goal of 1000 hp.
12-12-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by STRIPSTAR
Sure if you have a Prostreet setup no prob Haha
Again daily drive(safe?) wouldn't be high tech race rubber. If you live up north you can only drive that stuff in summer. My point from before that if you are doing DD thats 750+ is stupid expensive and people that do have them are rare and should be admired.
Again daily drive(safe?) wouldn't be high tech race rubber. If you live up north you can only drive that stuff in summer. My point from before that if you are doing DD thats 750+ is stupid expensive and people that do have them are rare and should be admired.
I must say though, I am liking this car way more than my 91GT before I decided to say **** it and turn it into a race car. I had a 444" small block with a T400, twin GT4294R's, huge heads (290CC intake ports, 2.125 valves), a big sheetmetal intake, big cam, etc. Turning it down for the street it still made over 1000 RWHP through an unlocked converter, and I couldn't go WOT unless it was pointed straight and on a completely flat/perfect road. Got old after not long on the street, so I decided to say if it's going to be a race car lets make it a race car. 25.2 chassis, same 444" motor but with a pair of GT47's
12-12-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The difference between a 415 rwhp heads/cam car and a 500 rwhp stroker car are also MUCH different. That stroker car will feel much more crazy than a heads/cam car will, and we are only talking ~75 hp peak difference.