NHRA Pro Mod rules regarding turbochargers
NHRA Pro Mod rules regarding turbochargers Mike Moran is the only guy i've personally seen running a turbo car in the ProMod class, and he didnt' really have that much success but he didn't have all that much track time either with the car. anyways, here are the rules, should be SWEET to see some bad *** turbo cars running. 500+ci, twin 91s, and 2700# should be NASTY.
Originally Posted by NHRA.COM
The basic rules for turbocharged cars include 527 cid maximum, 2,700 pounds minimum weight, transbrake with release button on steering wheel permitted in converter equipped cars, 91mm twin turbochargers maximum, methanol or accepted racing gasoline only, two disc clutch maximum, five-speed transmission maximum, and electronic fuel injection. These systems must be open loop design and may only monitor and/or be affected by engine functions such as rpm, airflow, air temperature, etc. The EFI and ignition systems may not be affected by, controlled by, or connected (either directly or indirectly) to any devices that monitor any vehicle performance data such as wheel speed, driveshaft speed, etc.
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Yes, which is pointless because how do you define "traction control"? If say DFI came out with a firmware update that let you define a maximum rate of accelleration in rpm/s in an obscure dialog box that was say only available via secret hotkey combination how would you police that? You absolutely can't. Its frutile. At ProMod levels advances in traction control are as much an advance in safety as say beadlock wheels and it makes for safer and closer racing than smoke shows and centerline crossing.
You still have to be able to adjust and maintain your equipment to be competitive. As a non-profit racer's association NHRA is doing little to promote advancement and technology that the supporting aftermarket companies need to remain competitive and be able to sponsor the series. The competition department needs some new younger blood.
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You still have to be able to adjust and maintain your equipment to be competitive. As a non-profit racer's association NHRA is doing little to promote advancement and technology that the supporting aftermarket companies need to remain competitive and be able to sponsor the series. The competition department needs some new younger blood.
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Andy has run Pro Mod turbo for almost 2 years now. He did very well this past year.
http://www.geocities.com/garageclub/andy_jensen.html
http://www.geocities.com/garageclub/andy_jensen.html
Originally Posted by andereck
NHRA afraid of a wideband? Surprised they don't mandate blow through carb.
I have no idea why its such a big deal, wideband controlled closed loop fueling has been around for a long time, its readily available, isnt that expensive and can save money in the long run and has nothing to do with traction control.
I think NHRA is protecting its present sponsors (and racers) that arent really involved in the fuel injection game.
http://www.moretraction.com/dragracing.htm
There's been some talk on the comp plus forum about this device. Some of the talk centers around the fact that its not illegal to use in TESTING. Its small enough to be carried in your fire suit, which makes it even harder to find. Some people are saying there are competitors using it right now in competition. As far as turbos in pro mod, nobody has been running them in either IHRA or NHRA they havent been allowed til now. There has been at least a couple in the ADRA, Mike Moran, Annette Summer.
As far as EFI and technology in the NHRA, They're afraid of not being able to find this stuff, or not being able to prove that someone is or is not using this technology. Plus, with no limit on spending (cap) they're also afraid of what has happened to F1. Nobody wants that.
As long as the vahicles are controlled mechanically, you dont need an electronics specialist to "tech" the cars, along with everything else that needs to be passed thru (tech)
There's been some talk on the comp plus forum about this device. Some of the talk centers around the fact that its not illegal to use in TESTING. Its small enough to be carried in your fire suit, which makes it even harder to find. Some people are saying there are competitors using it right now in competition. As far as turbos in pro mod, nobody has been running them in either IHRA or NHRA they havent been allowed til now. There has been at least a couple in the ADRA, Mike Moran, Annette Summer.
As far as EFI and technology in the NHRA, They're afraid of not being able to find this stuff, or not being able to prove that someone is or is not using this technology. Plus, with no limit on spending (cap) they're also afraid of what has happened to F1. Nobody wants that.
As long as the vahicles are controlled mechanically, you dont need an electronics specialist to "tech" the cars, along with everything else that needs to be passed thru (tech)
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Originally Posted by Big Mike
Andy has run Pro Mod turbo for almost 2 years now. He did very well this past year.
http://www.geocities.com/garageclub/andy_jensen.html
http://www.geocities.com/garageclub/andy_jensen.html
i wouldn't call 6.48@215 successful in ProMod, thats about .4 to slow...
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NHRA pro mods are eh
I'd like to see NHRA find a ticket to the 21st. century and have EFI pro stock, 6.0 LSX vs. 5.4 4V vs. 6.1 Hemi.
Isn't this how P/S started? The best modded factory motors squaring off?
I'd like to see NHRA find a ticket to the 21st. century and have EFI pro stock, 6.0 LSX vs. 5.4 4V vs. 6.1 Hemi.
Isn't this how P/S started? The best modded factory motors squaring off?
Last edited by Fraser@speedinc; Dec 14, 2006 at 08:26 PM.
Originally Posted by Fraser@speedinc
NHRA pro mods are eh
I'd like to see NHRA find a ticket to the 21st. century and have EFI pro stock, 6.0 LSX vs. 5.4 4V vs. 6.1 Hemi.
Isn't this how P/S started? The best modded factory motors squaring off?
I'd like to see NHRA find a ticket to the 21st. century and have EFI pro stock, 6.0 LSX vs. 5.4 4V vs. 6.1 Hemi.
Isn't this how P/S started? The best modded factory motors squaring off?
warren johnson would have a ******* "hay-day" for quite a few years until everyone else caught up... chevy could make some serious buck if they pushed nhra to move to injection...
Originally Posted by kp
I was around when Buddy Ingersol couldnt get into pro stock because he kicked some *** with a tubo/injected V6 buick in comp. Never seen such a bunch a of scared PS guys, that was in the mid-late 80s. How much more 'stock' could you get, GN buicks had turbos and injection lol.
Nowadays, Superstock is closer to the original Pro stock than Pro stock is. Kinda like NASCAR being "stock" cars..lol
Originally Posted by edcmat-l1
AHHHH.....I remember when... That car came and went so fast. At the time it really was kinda unfair. The NA 500 CID motors were just not able to do anything with it. I'm sure NHRA could have done something to level the playing field, but you're right, it scared the **** out of them.
Nowadays, Superstock is closer to the original Pro stock than Pro stock is. Kinda like NASCAR being "stock" cars..lol
Nowadays, Superstock is closer to the original Pro stock than Pro stock is. Kinda like NASCAR being "stock" cars..lol
NHRA let a procharged car run in comp last year, forget his name, but he did very well so we'll se how long that lasts.
Originally Posted by kp
I was at Baton Rouge the last time he ran the car, matter of fact I ended up buying some parts from him for a GN I was playing with at the time. That was an awesome running car and he was pretty upset at NHRA's decision. Wonder whatever happened to him.
NHRA let a procharged car run in comp last year, forget his name, but he did very well so we'll se how long that lasts.
NHRA let a procharged car run in comp last year, forget his name, but he did very well so we'll se how long that lasts.
Actually KP the Procharged car is Bo Butners and he won the championship with it. The index was 8.15 and he was running 7 teens riding the brakes at the finish line. NHRA screwed the pooch on theat class. The class didnt even have the right chassis certification attached to it. Next year the class is getting hit hard and it will be another class like AA/AT with nobody running it.
As for traction control most everyone has some sort on there cars now. The turbo guys wont have much advantage there. The advantage is the power they are capable of making.
Originally Posted by MADMAN
Actually KP the Procharged car is Bo Butners and he won the championship with it. The index was 8.15 and he was running 7 teens riding the brakes at the finish line. NHRA screwed the pooch on theat class. The class didnt even have the right chassis certification attached to it. Next year the class is getting hit hard and it will be another class like AA/AT with nobody running it.
As for traction control most everyone has some sort on there cars now. The turbo guys wont have much advantage there. The advantage is the power they are capable of making.
As for traction control most everyone has some sort on there cars now. The turbo guys wont have much advantage there. The advantage is the power they are capable of making.
I see tracton control (especially on a turbo car) as more of a safety item, the better systems can monitor the car the whole way down the track and if its starts cutting the tires loose mid track it can back it off. Same with closed loop fueling, why not do your best to prevent them from blowing up in the first place instead of band aiding it with a diaper.
This is the NHRA we are talking about KP. LOL
Originally Posted by MADMAN
This is the NHRA we are talking about KP. LOL
But what gets me is they go all out for the turbo/injected 'sport compact' cars yet leave most of the newer EFI V8 stuff out. Go ahead and give people a class where they can run a late model V8 with the lastest and greatest EFI/forced induction combos in featherweight cars like the 'sport compact' cars and see what happens
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Originally Posted by MADMAN
Next year the class is getting hit hard and it will be another class like AA/AT with nobody running it.
Originally Posted by kp
I know, but NHRA is still one of the better organizations out there. Even though they are more corporate driven its still a decent sanctioning body and drag racing would probably be a lot different if they ceased to exist.
But what gets me is they go all out for the turbo/injected 'sport compact' cars yet leave most of the newer EFI V8 stuff out. Go ahead and give people a class where they can run a late model V8 with the lastest and greatest EFI/forced induction combos in featherweight cars like the 'sport compact' cars and see what happens
But what gets me is they go all out for the turbo/injected 'sport compact' cars yet leave most of the newer EFI V8 stuff out. Go ahead and give people a class where they can run a late model V8 with the lastest and greatest EFI/forced induction combos in featherweight cars like the 'sport compact' cars and see what happens
I agree KP. I dont understand the thinking of NHRA and EFI except when your 2 biggest sponsors are Holley and Barry Grant NHRA is scared to rock the boat.
Now Comp is becoming more EFI oriented so maybe it will roll into Pro Stock someday.