skipperbisket

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Mike Moran is the only guy i've personally seen running a turbo car in the ProMod class, and he didnt' really have that much success but he didn't have all that much track time either with the car. anyways, here are the rules, should be SWEET to see some bad *** turbo cars running. 500+ci, twin 91s, and 2700# should be NASTY.

andereck

NHRA afraid of a wideband? Surprised they don't mandate blow through carb.

skipperbisket

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hah, i was thinking about that earlier...they are protecting against traction control devices i guess...

andereck

Yes, which is pointless because how do you define "traction control"? If say DFI came out with a firmware update that let you define a maximum rate of accelleration in rpm/s in an obscure dialog box that was say only available via secret hotkey combination how would you police that? You absolutely can't. Its frutile. At ProMod levels advances in traction control are as much an advance in safety as say beadlock wheels and it makes for safer and closer racing than smoke shows and centerline crossing.

You still have to be able to adjust and maintain your equipment to be competitive. As a non-profit racer's association NHRA is doing little to promote advancement and technology that the supporting aftermarket companies need to remain competitive and be able to sponsor the series. The competition department needs some new younger blood.

[end rant]

Big Mike

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Andy has run Pro Mod turbo for almost 2 years now. He did very well this past year.

http://www.geocities.com/garageclub/andy_jensen.html

kp

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NMCA or NMRA doesnt allow closed loop fueling either, I cant see how they can police it really. I doubt guys are going to be downloading tunes at the scales to check them. They dont even allow recording a wideband and rpm at the same time.

I have no idea why its such a big deal, wideband controlled closed loop fueling has been around for a long time, its readily available, isnt that expensive and can save money in the long run and has nothing to do with traction control.

I think NHRA is protecting its present sponsors (and racers) that arent really involved in the fuel injection game.

edcmat-l1

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http://www.moretraction.com/dragracing.htm
There's been some talk on the comp plus forum about this device. Some of the talk centers around the fact that its not illegal to use in TESTING. Its small enough to be carried in your fire suit, which makes it even harder to find. Some people are saying there are competitors using it right now in competition. As far as turbos in pro mod, nobody has been running them in either IHRA or NHRA they havent been allowed til now. There has been at least a couple in the ADRA, Mike Moran, Annette Summer.
As far as EFI and technology in the NHRA, They're afraid of not being able to find this stuff, or not being able to prove that someone is or is not using this technology. Plus, with no limit on spending (cap) they're also afraid of what has happened to F1. Nobody wants that.
As long as the vahicles are controlled mechanically, you dont need an electronics specialist to "tech" the cars, along with everything else that needs to be passed thru (tech)

skipperbisket

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i wouldn't call 6.48@215 successful in ProMod, thats about .4 to slow...

Tom@SpeedInc

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NHRA pro mods are eh

I'd like to see NHRA find a ticket to the 21st. century and have EFI pro stock, 6.0 LSX vs. 5.4 4V vs. 6.1 Hemi.

Isn't this how P/S started? The best modded factory motors squaring off?

kp

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I was around when Buddy Ingersol couldnt get into pro stock because he kicked some *** with a tubo/injected V6 buick in comp. Never seen such a bunch a of scared PS guys, that was in the mid-late 80s. How much more 'stock' could you get, GN buicks had turbos and injection lol.

ty_ty13

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warren johnson would have a ******* "hay-day" for quite a few years until everyone else caught up... chevy could make some serious buck if they pushed nhra to move to injection...

edcmat-l1

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AHHHH.....I remember when... That car came and went so fast. At the time it really was kinda unfair. The NA 500 CID motors were just not able to do anything with it. I'm sure NHRA could have done something to level the playing field, but you're right, it scared the **** out of them.
Nowadays, Superstock is closer to the original Pro stock than Pro stock is. Kinda like NASCAR being "stock" cars..lol

kp

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I was at Baton Rouge the last time he ran the car, matter of fact I ended up buying some parts from him for a GN I was playing with at the time. That was an awesome running car and he was pretty upset at NHRA's decision. Wonder whatever happened to him.

NHRA let a procharged car run in comp last year, forget his name, but he did very well so we'll se how long that lasts.

MADMAN

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Actually KP the Procharged car is Bo Butners and he won the championship with it. The index was 8.15 and he was running 7 teens riding the brakes at the finish line. NHRA screwed the pooch on theat class. The class didnt even have the right chassis certification attached to it. Next year the class is getting hit hard and it will be another class like AA/AT with nobody running it.

As for traction control most everyone has some sort on there cars now. The turbo guys wont have much advantage there. The advantage is the power they are capable of making.

kp

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Thats his name, he bombed the index pretty well lol.

I see tracton control (especially on a turbo car) as more of a safety item, the better systems can monitor the car the whole way down the track and if its starts cutting the tires loose mid track it can back it off. Same with closed loop fueling, why not do your best to prevent them from blowing up in the first place instead of band aiding it with a diaper.

ty_ty13

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because.... that would be too easy

MADMAN

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This is the NHRA we are talking about KP. LOL

kp

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I know, but NHRA is still one of the better organizations out there. Even though they are more corporate driven its still a decent sanctioning body and drag racing would probably be a lot different if they ceased to exist.

But what gets me is they go all out for the turbo/injected 'sport compact' cars yet leave most of the newer EFI V8 stuff out. Go ahead and give people a class where they can run a late model V8 with the lastest and greatest EFI/forced induction combos in featherweight cars like the 'sport compact' cars and see what happens

andereck

As of 12/11/2006 the index for AA/SM is 7.71, unless you know something that isn't public. It will be a fun year in that class again, hopefully without a bunch of drama...oh this is Comp...nevermind.

MADMAN

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I agree KP. I dont understand the thinking of NHRA and EFI except when your 2 biggest sponsors are Holley and Barry Grant NHRA is scared to rock the boat.


Now Comp is becoming more EFI oriented so maybe it will roll into Pro Stock someday.