local debate about rear mounts
Ok ok. Everyone and their mom understands a front mount turbo is more efficient, spools quicker, blah blah blah. That being said STS isnt that bad. I've got one on my car works pretty good especially with a stalled auto. Stock auto takes a week to spool it, put a small stall on it, you're spooled awfully quick.
Most guys running STS kits aren't looking to run sub 10 second passes, isn't really good for that. But by no means am i saying it cant do it.
I'm a mechanical engineer, i understand all the thermodynamics behind it all and well i guess the bottom line is it works, might not be as good as a front mount but by no means is it garbage. My 2 cents.
Most guys running STS kits aren't looking to run sub 10 second passes, isn't really good for that. But by no means am i saying it cant do it.
I'm a mechanical engineer, i understand all the thermodynamics behind it all and well i guess the bottom line is it works, might not be as good as a front mount but by no means is it garbage. My 2 cents.
Originally Posted by smoke20
only 7 D-1 and only one in the top ten , there is one rear mount in the top ten so you cant judge a top 50 list only.
im not against the D-1 its a great setup i just think the perception is way to negative for a starter forced induction set up . its wasnt designed to run with big boy turbos, if you understand that and accept it as your build platform then you wont by disappointed.
im not against the D-1 its a great setup i just think the perception is way to negative for a starter forced induction set up . its wasnt designed to run with big boy turbos, if you understand that and accept it as your build platform then you wont by disappointed.
One other thing, it would be 8 D1s if they would update the list with me in it and I let out after the 1/8
Originally Posted by Speed
They are turning into the RIAA by going around and threatening to sue everyone who builds their own rear mount system. As I understand it, a patent doesn't protect an individual from making a similar product for their own use. In one hand, I understand his need to protect his idea but in the other, chasing people posting threads about their own rear mounts seems silly.
Originally Posted by ChevyThunder17
Are you serious? That's pretty ridiculous. And I'm sure he wasn't the first one to think of that idea, just first to patent it. Most guys probably looked at the oil system situation and went "Pass. Next."
Originally Posted by STS
Ray, I was informed that you are building a remote mount turbo system for your vehicle and wanted to contact you. FYI - STS owns the patent on building and installing remote mounted turbo systems. We do offer individual and bulk licensing agreements so that people can legally fabricate remote mount turbos so please contact us. Operating under our license is the best way to ensure that you are not infringing on our patents and also ensures that you will get the proper parts and engineering/technical support to do the job properly and end up with a system that works well.
Best Regards,
Rick Squires
Squires Turbo Systems, Inc
165 N. 1330 W. Suite A-4
Orem, Utah 84057
Phone: 866-WE TURBO
Fax: (801) 607-6846
http://www.STSTurbo.com
Best Regards,
Rick Squires
Squires Turbo Systems, Inc
165 N. 1330 W. Suite A-4
Orem, Utah 84057
Phone: 866-WE TURBO
Fax: (801) 607-6846
http://www.STSTurbo.com
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/236967
Seriously, never ever will I be purchasing a kit, even used. That's unbelievable. If it were about a guy that was going to mass produce that type of system, by all means go after him.
But going after a guy with a car wanting to save himself some cash and fab it up himself? You MUST be joking.
But going after a guy with a car wanting to save himself some cash and fab it up himself? You MUST be joking.
Patent law is alot of BS and bullying. I've never seen the STS patent but im sure a good patent lawyer could blow so many holes in it that the system would only have to be slightly different than the STS system to legally produce.
I'd imagine the only thing they really have a patent on is the oiling system. Kinda hard to patent a turbo system otherwise. Yeh... we made the pipes longer and put it in the back...
But yeh, i still enjoy my system.
I'd imagine the only thing they really have a patent on is the oiling system. Kinda hard to patent a turbo system otherwise. Yeh... we made the pipes longer and put it in the back...
But yeh, i still enjoy my system.
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I read alittle bit of it and one part caught my eye. A guy said the patent pretty much ruled out that you can't build a turbo outside the engine bay is what he said the patent said in less words. If that is true doesn't the 300zx TT's have the turbo's mounted under the car somewhere? I don't know if that is true was just told that by a buddy.
I mean I own a sts turbo. But, honestly if I would have known he was trying to screw the little man for making a knock off of the sts kit. I would have never bought it. I think that is B.S. not everybody can spend 6,000 dollars on a turbo kit. But, want a turbo for there car so they make it thereself. I bought my kit used just for that very reason. I don't have alot of money and don't have the ability to build one myself. Just my 02. cents on that subject.
Jimmy
I mean I own a sts turbo. But, honestly if I would have known he was trying to screw the little man for making a knock off of the sts kit. I would have never bought it. I think that is B.S. not everybody can spend 6,000 dollars on a turbo kit. But, want a turbo for there car so they make it thereself. I bought my kit used just for that very reason. I don't have alot of money and don't have the ability to build one myself. Just my 02. cents on that subject.
Jimmy
We have had GREAT results with our custom rear mounted turbo setup on the Z06 we built.
Boost comes on strong...almost 450ft/lbs at 3000 and then 575 at 3800.
MajorSpray should end the discussion anyway!
Boost comes on strong...almost 450ft/lbs at 3000 and then 575 at 3800.
MajorSpray should end the discussion anyway!
To make good power with these kits, you have to change some things. The turbo needs to be clocked and bracketed so that it doesn't hang so low, the oil needs to be returned to the pan, you need to remove the cats and wrap the exhaust, you need to add fuel, you need guages and you need some kind of intercooling. By the time you do all that, the system is comparable in price to front mount systems. The nice thing is that you still have a pretty much stock engine bay and install/maintenance is easy.
I don't think anyone here is thinking that rear mount kits are more thermodynamically efficient than front mount. That's just silly. You can make the same amount of peak horsepower as a front mount, but the components will not be the same and other aspects of performance will suffer. Saying the systems are junk sounds a little severe to me. Heck my car would be in the top 50 if I hadn't been such an idiot and ran it on low oil. My last run was a 12.0 @ 120 w/2.0 60ft @8psi. It was a really soft launch. The whole low oil thing was due to the loose rings I had since day one...
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I don't think anyone here is thinking that rear mount kits are more thermodynamically efficient than front mount. That's just silly. You can make the same amount of peak horsepower as a front mount, but the components will not be the same and other aspects of performance will suffer. Saying the systems are junk sounds a little severe to me. Heck my car would be in the top 50 if I hadn't been such an idiot and ran it on low oil. My last run was a 12.0 @ 120 w/2.0 60ft @8psi. It was a really soft launch. The whole low oil thing was due to the loose rings I had since day one...
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It seems to me that there is no doubt that a front mount will make more power than a rear mounted turbo, but it really depends on what the person's goal is. Not everyone is looking to have the fastest car at the track. It looks like most of the guys on here chose the sts kit because they just wanted something simple that was easy to install and gave them a significant amount of power, with good street manners. The kit could use some improvements here and there, but overall, it gets the job done. I bought a kit myself and I still haven't installed it due to a busted tranny. Getting it rebuilt at sixspeeds inc right now. Anyways I'm really excited about it and I did a lot of research before I puchased it. There's a guy here that bought a camaro with a sts kit already installed on it and that thing sounds sweeter than anything I've ever heard and its crazy fast with only 430rwhp!!!
Originally Posted by red beast
major spray is hauling ***, but since he is the only one must be a fluke...more cars are flying with front mounts...
What does it matter? Is still a turbo car...its still fast....I personally will be joining all these rear mount guy very soon as I dont want to relocate any parts...i want to keep my AC and power steering...I like my battery in my engine....I personally think its a better kit if your looking for a fun street car...if you want a track monster go front mount.
Just my $.02 cents
Just my $.02 cents
Originally Posted by 70Stang
We have had GREAT results with our custom rear mounted turbo setup on the Z06 we built.
Boost comes on strong...almost 450ft/lbs at 3000 and then 575 at 3800.
MajorSpray should end the discussion anyway!
Boost comes on strong...almost 450ft/lbs at 3000 and then 575 at 3800.
MajorSpray should end the discussion anyway!
The vette systems and the F-body systems are NOT the same; not even close. And Major Spray is hauling ***; but he is NOT running an STS setup; which is not only the focus of this thread so far, but also the most installed and used rear mount setup.
Originally Posted by my01ws6
What does it matter? Is still a turbo car...its still fast....I personally will be joining all these rear mount guy very soon as I dont want to relocate any parts...i want to keep my AC and power steering...I like my battery in my engine....I personally think its a better kit if your looking for a fun street car...if you want a track monster go front mount.
Just my $.02 cents
Just my $.02 cents
I said many times that a rear mount in a drag car would be a good way to go, I have often thought about doing a 'mid mount' and putting the turbo right where the RH rear seat would be, be no problem with 5" downpipe routing, you come right out of the compressor into an A2W and into the engine compartment and have all the weight towards the rear of the car with no underhood clutter. Only problem would be the modified floor, someone would cry about it I'm sure..