Originally Posted by will82

ATI has the best head units. That's about it.

Their kits leave much to be desired. Private vendors like A&A and ECS had to make custom kits for C5s because the ProCharger kit sucked. Then there was a scuffle between them because ProCharger wanted people to buy their kit and they wouldn't just sell the head units to a&a or ecs anymore. I'm not going to say the move was wrong, but it is a FACT that a few innocent customers were caught in the crossfire and left without head units because ProCharger refused to ship them. Their service also leaves a lot to be desired. Actually, unless you spend a ton of $$$ with them it's usually non-existant. I gave up trying to get anything out of them long ago. And I've been in arguments here with someone who apparently works there, and his attitude was disgusting not to mention ignorant. Instead of addressing the problem he just blew off an entire group of perfomance enthusiasts and insulted their mechanical abilities. Anyone who spends any time in the c5 forced induction section on corvetteforum knows there are some hardcore, high hp wrench turners who know their stuff, including a few gents who designed BETTER kits using ProCharger's head units. It's a shame too because they have a great product, and their newer kits are actually becoming much better in terms of overall quality. An attitude adjustment could really help them get more sales. They even redesigned the c5 kit to be much better. Of course whoever I talked to on the phone a while back wouldn't sell me their new stage 2 bracket, they wanted me to buy a whole new kit. A vendor on this board luckily was able to quote me a price, but I eventually decided to spend the extra $$$ to get the best and went with the ECS bracket instead, and truth be told I was pissed about getting the run-around and having to go to someone else to get the part I wanted so my decision was partly out of spite.

I don't know much about the F-Body setups, but since Bob at EPP has a custom front-mount intercooler kit available for sale I'm guessing the base ProCharger kit is just as crappy as their original c5 kits.

They make good power, they sound awesome, and they use their own oil. But make sure you buy a custom kit like the one from EPP, and make sure you buy from a reputable/experienced tuner who can be your tech support. But I would definately go with a ProCharger head unit, and do yourself a favor and spend the extra $200 now to get a D1SC instead of a P1SC. If you wait to upgrade, you're only option to change is ProCharger and they'll charge you $1500 to upgrade the head unit.

Originally Posted by will82

ATI has the best head units. That's about it.

I'm not going to say the move was wrong, but it is a FACT that a few innocent customers were caught in the crossfire and left without head units because ProCharger refused to ship them. Their service also leaves a lot to be desired. Actually, unless you spend a ton of $$$ with them it's usually non-existant. I gave up trying to get anything out of them long ago. And I've been in arguments here with someone who apparently works there, and his attitude was disgusting not to mention ignorant. Instead of addressing the problem he just blew off an entire group of perfomance enthusiasts and insulted their mechanical abilities. Anyone who spends any time in the c5 forced induction section on corvetteforum knows there are some hardcore, high hp wrench turners who know their stuff, including a few gents who designed BETTER kits using ProCharger's head units. It's a shame too because they have a great product, and their newer kits are actually becoming much better in terms of overall quality. An attitude adjustment could really help them get more sales. They even redesigned the c5 kit to be much better. Of course whoever I talked to on the phone a while back wouldn't sell me their new stage 2 bracket, they wanted me to buy a whole new kit. A vendor on this board luckily was able to quote me a price, but I eventually decided to spend the extra $$$ to get the best and went with the ECS bracket instead, and truth be told I was pissed about getting the run-around and having to go to someone else to get the part I wanted so my decision was partly out of spite.

Originally Posted by andereck

While I take issue with a few things you've said, I'll address a couple. First, please leave CF conjecture on CF. We don't need that here and you are not apprised of the details, nor should you be.

Second ATI has offered the HO to StageII upgrade for about 2 years now and its available in components and stages. These are available direct to the public and are often sold that way, however ATI does appreciate dealer involvement but its not necessary with the upgrade kits.

ATI continues to offer replacement components for nearly all systems and can repair over 95% of the superchargers that have ever built.

I would apologize for your experieince with ATI if I thought it happened, but since I'm pretty darn close to all those guys I don't believe it did. Maybe you ran into an impersonator??

Having personally dealt with many people contributing in this post I hope that purchase decisions are also affected by the people you chose to deal with, at least it used to be that way.

Originally Posted by burnzilla

I have a question for you S/C guys because I have plans in the near future and would like some advice.

How are Procharger's for long haul trips/durability/reliability ???
I plan on getting a newer LS1 T/A and will most likely get forged internals so the motor will be more then up to the task.

But my question is more focused with the Supercharger itself because I have read on here once or twice they get hot on long hauls and should not be driven on long trips/road cruises...

is this is anyway true? Any merit to this?
Not to high jack the thread but I didn't feel like starting a new one for one hopefully simple question.

Originally Posted by eb02z06

Well i just recently dyno'd some customers C5's witht the 2 most popular kits for the C5-the Vortech and the Novi. The Vortech was actually a JT trim. Bottom line both blowers have a very hard time making 16 psi on a 402 with either of these C5 kits. These guys both wanted big power-guess what there both 100 rwhp shy of my 347 with a F1R. Go figure. I'll be testing Procharger's newer C5 bracket very soon as well-if your not happy with the offerings make your voice heard-it doesn't fall on deaf ears. Oh and another thing-I got a used D1SC coming soon too-I bet yeah it will make more power on a 347 than the JT and the Novi on a 402-ain't the internet grand!!!

Originally Posted by Inspector12

Well you are not comparing apples to apples in that comparison. And I am not knocking what you are saying, but I know the Novi 2000 has made well over 850rwhp on some larger CI motors the smaller JT trim you are talking about would not flow nearly enough air to make huge numbers, but a YSI would impress a lot of people, but is still not as large as your F1R. You would have to compare it to a D1 and then you would be on a little better playing feild etc... There CFM ratings are different and can not compare the two, but like I said earlier the ATI D1 or F1 is better suited for this application for sure.

Originally Posted by eb02z06

I agree but one glaring problem with the either the Novi or the Ysi is the stepup ratio-try to spin those suckers up to redline with a 8 rib and a 3" blower pulley and a belt that's over 89" and you'll get the idea real quick. FWIW-there are YSi cars over at the CF forum that are not making as much power as my Procharged 347. last time i checked there was a 427 with a YSi that just got over 900 rwhp-go figure?