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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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I'm in the planning stages of building my Lq4 into a 408 stroker and have alot of questions about the set up I want to run. I plan on building to a 408 and I want to run the msd/edelbrock carb set up. The only problem with this I"m alittle unsure about how this is gonna pan out with running a turbo. I have seen a few people that have done this setup but just need some insurance and advice. Also what all is required in mounting up a th400 trans?

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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:31 PM
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As for a blow through setup, naturally, you'll have to have a hat, and a carb built for a blower/turbo (seals, etc). Dad is looking to put a novi 1500 or vortech blower on his 434ci pontiac in his 68 GTO, I can't wait to start with headaches on that one! I'm guessing you're running an F-body? There are a ton of places on the net talking about conversions with th400 transmissions.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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Well actually I'm running a 97 chevy truck but I got a good deal on a 6.0. I got it complete except for the wiring harness and computer so instead of wasting my time in finding them, I just decided to go with the msd and a blow through carb. And as for the turbo set up, I will be fabing up a rear mounted system and most likely a 76mm turbo. I see your running a rear mounted turbo, what oil return pump did you go with?

Even though I am gonna with out a doubt go to a 408, it's gonna be hard to break down the stock rotating assembly with out having any fun on it. So I'm thinking about running it for a short while before i go all out. Any clue to how much a stock set up will hold?
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 06:15 AM
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That setup works fine.Do a search from last winter.We did the same build your talking about in a truck.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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408 high compression Blow through achol turbo setup would be a badass setup.

There is a guy I know that is running twin 76's with a high compression ford motor with blow through.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Area 51 Racing
Well actually I'm running a 97 chevy truck but ...I will be fabing up a rear mounted system and most likely a 76mm turbo.
If you have a truck, you have plenty of room no excuse not to mount it in the engine compartment.

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 10:02 AM
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Yea I do have plenty of room to run the turbo in the engine compartment but I had just rather run the remote style to keep the heat down in the engine compartment. And its just wicked.

I've found alot good info on putting a th400 behind my 6.0 but I'm still kinda in the dark about the flywheel. I keep on seeing that I need to run a certin size, but what size is that exactly?
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Area 51 Racing
Yea I do have plenty of room to run the turbo in the engine compartment but I had just rather run the remote style to keep the heat down in the engine compartment. And its just wicked.
You guys are so brainwashed into thinking that remote-mount turbo's are the "hot new thing", "wicked", and whatever, but they are not better. That is true in theory and in practice. It's a fad right now and alot of people are doing it just because they see it being done. It's a compromise, at best, to overcome the packaging issues associated with cramped engine bays. Trucks don't have this problem.

Turbo's don't add very much heat to the engine compartment as long as you have a heat shield on the turbine housing and locate it properly. All OEM turbo cars have the turbo under the hood. Even after 25+ years, there is no significant difference in heat degradation of non-metallics in the engine compartments of these cars. What are you so worried about?

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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I have a friend that is selling a full TH400 swap right now on here. https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...t=#post8042573
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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Thanks for the info on the ad.

And Mike, thanks for your info and ur 2 cents but i ain't worried about nothin. I know I can put it in the engine compartment and I know all OEM cars turbos are mounted on the manifolds but mine ain't oem and I guess I'm just into "fads." I just like the remote systems, I have nothing against turbos mounted in the engine compartment, it's just what I want.
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Think about it this way. Remote has a oil pump and if it dies then your turbo is toast. On a front mount its a grav feed so inless the earth flips itself upside down then you are safe.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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lol, yea that is a good point.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 1INSANEGTO
Think about it this way. Remote has a oil pump and if it dies then your turbo is toast. On a front mount its a grav feed so inless the earth flips itself upside down then you are safe.
That is true and a valid concern, but I'm more worried about the increased lag plus reduced system efficiency causing higher exhaust pressure and thus reduced power.

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:35 PM
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Ok, well this is about get out of my hands cause I'm never run either of the setups. I've run nothing but superchargers but is there anyone out there that has a rear mount setup that may throw in a couple of comments?

I mean yall have a very good point and another thing that is good about the set up is that I wont have to buy an expensive oil pump or a bunch of tubing to get back to the intercooler and intake.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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95% of the guys who have rear-mounts will tell you they like them for these reasons:

1. Cheap.
2. Easy to install.
3. Doesn't clutter the already-tight engine bay.
4. Reaches their hp goals.

All are valid points, but most will readily admit that a front-mount will make more power and spool faster. The rest are delusional.

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:57 PM
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Well those are most of my points about wanting to run the system but the only thing that concerns me is the turbo lag. It just seems like there is a good chance that there may be a large deal of lag, esspecially if running a large turbo.
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lag? **** it stick a small shot on it.... LAG that
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Yea...... like a 500 shot!!!
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