View Poll Results: Help me pick a cam, all are ready to throw in! Not 100% on the lifts but are close!
224/228 .581/.588 114 LSA
12
13.79%
228/232 .590/.592 114 LSA
29
33.33%
230/238 .580/.590 115 LSA
37
42.53%
232/242 .595/.602 113LSA
9
10.34%
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You guys must be pretty much race applications than, not? Thats some sick lift and will have to check/replace springs fairly often. I honestly would really like to have somewhat a decent sized cam. I just like the sounds of it, no pun intended but also like hearing a bad *** cam as well.
I am still f***ed up over this, lol Don't know which way to go. Big or small? I don't really think I can go wrong with the 228/232 cam. Maybe I might jsut have to call up a sponsor, etc. I personally don't believe in reverse splits if thats what they are going to say. Again I'd take a straight split though.
The poll keeps changing, come on guys........... what do ya think?
I am still f***ed up over this, lol Don't know which way to go. Big or small? I don't really think I can go wrong with the 228/232 cam. Maybe I might jsut have to call up a sponsor, etc. I personally don't believe in reverse splits if thats what they are going to say. Again I'd take a straight split though.
The poll keeps changing, come on guys........... what do ya think?
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edit - I'm only curious b/c I am jsut having second thoughts b/c my builder has other pistons that would up my CR to a hair over 9.3. I think that this MIGHT be better for me b/c I don't plan on running a **** load of boost and going to the track to really test it out that much. If I'm on the street 99% of the time, wouldn't I be better off with a little higher CR and less boost. Better efficiency, more power on less boost and better off boost power as well. Even better milleage too, lol What do ya think, I'll be a 370 too with pump and meth?
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I am adding nice dual nozzle meth kit to this build so it will allow for a little more compression and hopefully a couple more degrees of timing. The cam is BIG so gas millage SUCKED at 8.5:1. Granted it won't make much of a difference, but it will help spool the turbo and off boost power.
I am also planning on running it at a conservative 10psi. My car sees lots of street "duty"
so I can't use 900rwhp.
I am also planning on running it at a conservative 10psi. My car sees lots of street "duty"
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I am adding nice dual nozzle meth kit to this build so it will allow for a little more compression and hopefully a couple more degrees of timing. The cam is BIG so gas millage SUCKED at 8.5:1. Granted it won't make much of a difference, but it will help spool the turbo and off boost power.
I am also planning on running it at a conservative 10psi. My car sees lots of street "duty" so I can't use 900rwhp.
I am also planning on running it at a conservative 10psi. My car sees lots of street "duty"
so I can't use 900rwhp.edit - So with your old setup you never had meth than? What did you boost it to at the norm? I know meth helps allot and think I'd be better off half a point higher CR. What ya think? I know it will make tons either way, but why not make it a better overall build right.
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Verdad Gallardo I like the idea of higher compression. I also looked at my buddy's turbo SS (Mr_president) to make my decision to raise it. He was on a stock bottom end with LQ9 heads so figure his CR to be around what......9.5:1. He ran a T76gts with a .96 housing and his car spooled INSTANTLY upon WOT. He had a VERY small reverse split camotion grind cam too btw....and 10.20s on 9psi.
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I like the idea of higher compression. I also looked at my buddy's turbo SS (Mr_president) to make my decision to raise it. He was on a stock bottom end with LQ9 heads so figure his CR to be around what......9.5:1. He ran a T76gts with a .96 housing and his car spooled INSTANTLY upon WOT. He had a VERY small reverse split camotion grind cam too btw....and 10.20s on 9psi.
I like your thinking, say since we'll be close in comparison and being you have allot more experience than me. How much boost you think I can run on pump and meth without a worry with 9.3? 10-12 is what I am thining? 10 should be a joke for it not? Like you said, faster spool, more power and there is only so much you can actually use on the street anyhow.
Dammit, just when I think I got it figured out. Ya I know which guy you are referring too. With my stock L92 heads on a 370 and -5cc dished pistons I'd be at 9.33:1, so pretty close to him. I got the 80gts with a .96 a/r, so again close other than the cam. With an auto too I guess a guy should have allto better spooling than the M6 guys at any time. I might just have to call him up, hopefully he hasn't swapped the pistons yet but I am sure the new cranks not in yet, lol
I like your thinking, say since we'll be close in comparison and being you have allot more experience than me. How much boost you think I can run on pump and meth without a worry with 9.3? 10-12 is what I am thining? 10 should be a joke for it not? Like you said, faster spool, more power and there is only so much you can actually use on the street anyhow.
I like your thinking, say since we'll be close in comparison and being you have allot more experience than me. How much boost you think I can run on pump and meth without a worry with 9.3? 10-12 is what I am thining? 10 should be a joke for it not? Like you said, faster spool, more power and there is only so much you can actually use on the street anyhow.
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Damn at work right now and just logged on, good timing, lol
Ya I agree, 9.3CR and 12psi with meth no prob. Many run 8-10 on stock 10:1 CR but I think 10 is pushing it. I'm really torn b/w this b/c both would be beneficial in both ways. With pump gas and even meth I won't be able to achieve the most out of the setup. If I go with the 8.7 I should be able to make hell of allot more power and I don't plan on ever using race gas b/c I don't go to the track much at all.
I wish I was as fortunate as you and could go for a rip in both cars and decide on what 'I' want as its personal preference. Even so though, theres a difference if the whole combination of things are setup right. Even 8.7 CR with the right, cam, converter, gears, tuning etc should be a blast to drive. I know that 9.3 would be even better though, lol I guess if I look at it that way, with the 9.3 and say for example 12psi or so(max with pump/meth) it should make a solid 650-700rwhp which would take about 15psi or a lil better on the lower CR. Both are more than enough for the street regardless, take your pick on whats better for you? The 8.7 would also have the added feature of a safer combo(detonation) as well wether or not it would be chosen to run higher boost in the future.
Ya I agree, 9.3CR and 12psi with meth no prob. Many run 8-10 on stock 10:1 CR but I think 10 is pushing it. I'm really torn b/w this b/c both would be beneficial in both ways. With pump gas and even meth I won't be able to achieve the most out of the setup. If I go with the 8.7 I should be able to make hell of allot more power and I don't plan on ever using race gas b/c I don't go to the track much at all.
I wish I was as fortunate as you and could go for a rip in both cars and decide on what 'I' want as its personal preference. Even so though, theres a difference if the whole combination of things are setup right. Even 8.7 CR with the right, cam, converter, gears, tuning etc should be a blast to drive. I know that 9.3 would be even better though, lol I guess if I look at it that way, with the 9.3 and say for example 12psi or so(max with pump/meth) it should make a solid 650-700rwhp which would take about 15psi or a lil better on the lower CR. Both are more than enough for the street regardless, take your pick on whats better for you? The 8.7 would also have the added feature of a safer combo(detonation) as well wether or not it would be chosen to run higher boost in the future.
Damn at work right now and just logged on, good timing, lol
Ya I agree, 9.3CR and 12psi with meth no prob. Many run 8-10 on stock 10:1 CR but I think 10 is pushing it. I'm really torn b/w this b/c both would be beneficial in both ways. With pump gas and even meth I won't be able to achieve the most out of the setup. If I go with the 8.7 I should be able to make hell of allot more power and I don't plan on ever using race gas b/c I don't go to the track much at all.
I wish I was as fortunate as you and could go for a rip in both cars and decide on what 'I' want as its personal preference. Even so though, theres a difference if the whole combination of things are setup right. Even 8.7 CR with the right, cam, converter, gears, tuning etc should be a blast to drive. I know that 9.3 would be even better though, lol I guess if I look at it that way, with the 9.3 and say for example 12psi or so(max with pump/meth) it should make a solid 650-700rwhp which would take about 15psi or a lil better on the lower CR. Both are more than enough for the street regardless, take your pick on whats better for you? The 8.7 would also have the added feature of a safer combo(detonation) as well wether or not it would be chosen to run higher boost in the future.
Ya I agree, 9.3CR and 12psi with meth no prob. Many run 8-10 on stock 10:1 CR but I think 10 is pushing it. I'm really torn b/w this b/c both would be beneficial in both ways. With pump gas and even meth I won't be able to achieve the most out of the setup. If I go with the 8.7 I should be able to make hell of allot more power and I don't plan on ever using race gas b/c I don't go to the track much at all.
I wish I was as fortunate as you and could go for a rip in both cars and decide on what 'I' want as its personal preference. Even so though, theres a difference if the whole combination of things are setup right. Even 8.7 CR with the right, cam, converter, gears, tuning etc should be a blast to drive. I know that 9.3 would be even better though, lol I guess if I look at it that way, with the 9.3 and say for example 12psi or so(max with pump/meth) it should make a solid 650-700rwhp which would take about 15psi or a lil better on the lower CR. Both are more than enough for the street regardless, take your pick on whats better for you? The 8.7 would also have the added feature of a safer combo(detonation) as well wether or not it would be chosen to run higher boost in the future.
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The tune just becomes more important if you run a higher CR and decent boost. I have a TON of confidence in Rick at Synergy who tunes my car. I believe I have heard that he prefers ~8.7--8.9 or so........but that's just hearsay. Go with 9.3. I just don't see a reason why you need to go any lower than that on pump/meth and 10 or 12 psi.
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Well, I guess I ate my own words. Why not get what ya want. I am gonna order some diamond -10cc dished pistons which will yield me a hair under 8.9 CR. So I think that this will be best of both worlds for what I want and can still turn up the boost fairly relative with the meth.
I am also leaning towards the 228/232 cam as well, if not the 224/228 maybe. Any other opinions?
I am also leaning towards the 228/232 cam as well, if not the 224/228 maybe. Any other opinions?
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You can say it, I am worse than a women. I just changed the order for -15cc diamond pistons that will give me exactly 8.5:1 CR. This will enable me to boost up to 20psi with pump gas. I also plan on not using the meth unless I go to the track and turn it up, either that or I will have it come on with a mist.
To help with the power down low, I am leaning towards the smallest cam which will also help to spool the turbo up even though it shouldn't be no hell to start with
To help with the power down low, I am leaning towards the smallest cam which will also help to spool the turbo up even though it shouldn't be no hell to start with
Yeah I was shooting for 9.5:1 because of the 12 degrees of overlap on my cam, but a deal came up on a used set of boost specific pistons so it's more like 8.6:1 now. So instead of 13-15 I'll try and eek out around 20 w/ meth and blowup my rearend on the first pass. I'm just goin to put my 233/239 on a 108 ICL and it should be fine. All of the answers I got said it would work nicely.
I would still run the 228/232 or the 232/240 for your car and let her rip. Your 80mm is on a T4 flange w/ smallish a/r correct? I know you posted in the first page but I'm the epitomy of lazy
I would still run the 228/232 or the 232/240 for your car and let her rip. Your 80mm is on a T4 flange w/ smallish a/r correct? I know you posted in the first page but I'm the epitomy of lazy
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Yeah I was shooting for 9.5:1 because of the 12 degrees of overlap on my cam, but a deal came up on a used set of boost specific pistons so it's more like 8.6:1 now. So instead of 13-15 I'll try and eek out around 20 w/ meth and blowup my rearend on the first pass. I'm just goin to put my 233/239 on a 108 ICL and it should be fine. All of the answers I got said it would work nicely.
I would still run the 228/232 or the 232/240 for your car and let her rip. Your 80mm is on a T4 flange w/ smallish a/r correct? I know you posted in the first page but I'm the epitomy of lazy
I would still run the 228/232 or the 232/240 for your car and let her rip. Your 80mm is on a T4 flange w/ smallish a/r correct? I know you posted in the first page but I'm the epitomy of lazy
Trust me I really want to tell my builder to throw in the 228/232 believe me. (Its the biggest I'll go for sure) Not only for power etc, but for some lope at idle. I love the sound of overlap in a late model sports car, little alone any vehicle.
Good choice on CR, the more shops I talked to the more reccommended b/w 8.5-8.8 CR. So I think thats the best. Max power by far with pump gas, add a meth kit and go even farther. Just don't rely on it. Like I said I prolly won't use it unless I really let the boost rip.