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Old Jun 25, 2018 | 05:10 PM
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I know that a Walbro 450LPH will fit the stock pump bucket with a little cutting on the bottom of the bucket, but what about this new 525LPH pump?

131mm long
39mm main housing
50mm lower housing
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11mm out
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Old Jul 3, 2018 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
I know that a Walbro 450LPH will fit the stock pump bucket with a little cutting on the bottom of the bucket, but what about this new 525LPH pump?

131mm long
39mm main housing
50mm lower housing
11mm in
11mm out
If you need that much fuel, the idea of a stock bucket is ludicrous. Even cutting the bucket for smaller pumps is a really bad idea, as it completely negates the idea of a stock fuel bucket. Skimping out on a few hundred in parts and a few hours work on plumbing an adequate fuel system is a good way to spend thousands on a new motor and dozens of hours of work.
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Old Jul 6, 2018 | 12:14 PM
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If you need that much fuel, the idea of a stock bucket is ludicrous. Even cutting the bucket for smaller pumps is a really bad idea, as it completely negates the idea of a stock fuel bucket. Skimping out on a few hundred in parts and a few hours work on plumbing an adequate fuel system is a good way to spend thousands on a new motor and dozens of hours of work.
I don't need the higher fuel output yet, but since the fuel tank is going to be out for the mini-tub kit, I might as well upgrade the pump and regulator. I'm looking for the most I can go with stock lines.
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Old Jul 6, 2018 | 12:18 PM
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I was under the impression that it was the same externally as the Walbro 450.
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
I don't need the higher fuel output yet, but since the fuel tank is going to be out for the mini-tub kit, I might as well upgrade the pump and regulator. I'm looking for the most I can go with stock lines.
If you are pulling the entire fuel tank to do a mini tub kit it would be a perversely wrong hot rodding **** up to not just do a proper return fuel system.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gametech
If you are pulling the entire fuel tank to do a mini tub kit it would be a perversely wrong hot rodding **** up to not just do a proper return fuel system.
That is the other option. I was planning on doing the C5 filter/regulator kit from Hawks. The future is a resleeved LS2 454 NA. I thought that the stock fuel lines would support that, but I am thinking that just doing a high pressure filter and an adjustable return/regulator at the fuel rail might be a better plan.
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It's the same pump as the F90000274 drawing more amps to make more flow. It's way more pump than you'll ever need for an NA 454. You don't need to be fancy with your fuel system. Simple is easier and cheaper.
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So, stock fuel lines, C5 fuel filter/regulator, and a Walbro 450 will work for E85 and a resleeved LS2 454?
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
So, stock fuel lines, C5 fuel filter/regulator, and a Walbro 450 will work for E85 and a resleeved LS2 454?
I run a drop in wally 450 stock lines/reg on my 02 Camaro . its a 416 ci that makes a touch over 550 tire and we've never had a fuel issue
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
So, stock fuel lines, C5 fuel filter/regulator, and a Walbro 450 will work for E85 and a resleeved LS2 454?
Walbro 450 and C5 regulator don't play well together. Your fuel pressure will be over 70 PSI.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Walbro 450 and C5 regulator don't play well together. Your fuel pressure will be over 70 PSI.
you can tweak the air/fuel tables to account for that. You don't HAVE to run at 58 psi.
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Eh, I think I will just start looking at info on how to install a return style system with an adjustable regulator.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
you can tweak the air/fuel tables to account for that. You don't HAVE to run at 58 psi.
Its inconsistent though. You'll have 70+ at idle, and it will drop back to 58 when you start making power. You end up with a lot of odd circumstances where a given cell in the VE table may not be proper fueling based on fuel pressure.
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Its inconsistent though. You'll have 70+ at idle, and it will drop back to 58 when you start making power. You end up with a lot of odd circumstances where a given cell in the VE table may not be proper fueling based on fuel pressure.
That just means it won't be linear in the tune. you can still account for the change in fuel pressure. I'm not saying its the theoretical "right" way to do it, just that it can be accounted for.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FCar2000TA
Eh, I think I will just start looking at info on how to install a return style system with an adjustable regulator.
It's honestly not much more expensive and not that difficult.

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That just means it won't be linear in the tune. you can still account for the change in fuel pressure. I'm not saying its the theoretical "right" way to do it, just that it can be accounted for.
You cannot compensate for erratic fuel pressure in the gen 3 computers.
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Fuel pressure drop is typically not erratic, it's usually linear unless something is failing. Because it's usually linear, you can compensate for it with the MAF transfer function or VE table. Again, not perfect but it'll work.
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Old Jul 19, 2018 | 05:42 PM
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In a situation where your pump just isn't quite big enough sure. In this situation where you have a regulator not working correctly it's a bigger crapshoot and more likely to be erratic.

Either way it's less than ideal.
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If you're going to talk about a regulator that isn't functioning properly then anything is possible and you've got a problem either way. At that point all bets are off anyways.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Fuel pressure drop is typically not erratic, it's usually linear unless something is failing. Because it's usually linear, you can compensate for it with the MAF transfer function or VE table. Again, not perfect but it'll work.
Works fine for vacuum referenced regulators. If its a static pressure regulator and the PCM has no way to determine that fuel pressure has increased, you're basically leaving it up to fuel trims, etc.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Works fine for vacuum referenced regulators. If its a static pressure regulator and the PCM has no way to determine that fuel pressure has increased, you're basically leaving it up to fuel trims, etc.
My assumption is that it hasn't already been tuned and you know about it at the time of turning, not that something has changed after the fact. There are plenty of ways to blow a motor if we're talking about something changing after the fact.
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