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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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if u do it right it could make that.so basically ur just trying to be cheap with the fuel requirements!lol
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
start with this:
to find the fuel requirements take your horsepower and muliply it by a BSFC(brake specific fuel comsumption) ie 550X.5(for NA streetcar)=275lbhr of fuel divide by # of injectors ie 8 so 275/8=34.375lb/hr. now explain how a 30# injectors will product that value without pushing it too much?very easy to solve.math is your friend when it comes to motors

SVO 30lb injectors are rated @ 40 psi, at 58 psi they flow 36.12 lbs
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by oange ss
SVO 30lb injectors are rated @ 40 psi, at 58 psi they flow 36.12 lbs
because thatll leave room to grow
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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well in that case why not just get 95 lb injectors
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by oange ss
well in that case why not just get 95 lb injectors
because u know giving yourself small room to grow is the same as total overkill.what a dumbass.why make a post like that that doesnt help this guy out.think next time.destroyerss id suggest the 42#ers likes been stated but if u feel the need stay with what u have and see what happens if u dont mind a high duty cycle.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 07:20 PM
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because u know giving yourself small room to grow is the same as total overkill.what a dumbass.why make a post like that that doesnt help this guy out.think next time.destroyerss id suggest the 42#ers likes been stated but if u feel the need stay with what u have and see what happens if u dont mind a high duty cycle.
What is a safe duty cycle 85-90% ??? and is there any truth to the statement that a smaller injector @ say 85-90% duty cycle will give a better spray pattern than a larger injector @ 70% or so duty cycle Thanks Shawn
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 07:24 PM
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ur not going to care if theres a slightly better physical spray pattern as long as u have someone who has a clue when it comes to the tune.Hell u could get 60#ers and have it idle smooth as stock with a decent tuner
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
because u know giving yourself small room to grow is the same as total overkill.what a dumbass.why make a post like that that doesnt help this guy out.think next time.destroyerss id suggest the 42#ers likes been stated but if u feel the need stay with what u have and see what happens if u dont mind a high duty cycle.
a dumbass I am not
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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whatever you say sir....maybe ur not,just the impression u make.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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What is a safe duty cycle 85-90% ??? and is there any truth to the statement that a smaller injector @ say 85-90% duty cycle will give a better spray pattern than a larger injector @ 70% or so duty cycle Thanks Shawn
See the sticky at the top of this forum. I went to the RC Engineering website http://www.rceng.com/technical.htm and ran some #s through the calculator. Based on your estimate of 550rwhp, I assumed 15% drivetrain loss to get 633fwhp (or BHP). According to the SAE and RC Engineering, injectors should not be run beyond 80% duty cycle. Using 633 BHP, .5 BSFC (conservative #), .8 idc, and 58 psi fuel rail pressure...I get 42.83 lb/hr @ 43.5 psi rail pressure required.
If you were to use the SVO 42s you would have 48.5lb/hr @ 58 psi rail pressure. Plugging 48.5 lb/hr into the equation I get 81.57% idc. Just over the accepted 80%, but not too bad. Keep in mind, I used a "conservative .50 BSFC. The more efficient the engine is, the lower this # becomes and the less fuel required to make the same hp.

The equation I used for these calcs is:
(BHP)(BSFC)/(# of cylinders)(IDC) = lb/hr required
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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that was what i plugged in a bsfc of .5,just forgot that it was fly wheel not rear wheel hp is what u go by.just proves the point further
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 10:10 PM
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I would not recommend 30's. My SVO30's are at 93% on my mild 382 at 60psi right now.
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 09:24 PM
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I think i'm gonna buy the SVO 42lb and bring them with me to get my car tuned and if the 30lb injector struggle i can change them out in no time BTW will my stock pump be enough till the winter??
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 09:34 PM
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out of curiosity, why would you NOT want to just put them in and tune with 42s in? the tune takes the same amount of time, and they drive the same, so if you already own them...why?!?!
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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What color are the svo 42lb injectors?? And what is the flow when put in a GM fuel system??
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 06:32 PM
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green tops

4bar=58psi is standard GM fuel pressure
so 40#@3bar=48.5#@4bar (look in http://redhardsupra.blogspot.com/200...le-tuning.html for the full table)
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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OK damn it i just bought svo 42lb injectors Now here's my next ?? Will i be able to get my car tuned with the stock fuel pump?? then over the winter i will get a racetronix kit. Will my stock pump make enough?? BTW pump has 50k on it.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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The stock pump might or it might not. Some factory pumps seem to go a bit further then others. I'm sure you have some coin tied up in your motor; my advice would be to bite the bullet and get a new pump.

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OK damn it i just bought svo 42lb injectors Now here's my next ?? Will i be able to get my car tuned with the stock fuel pump?? then over the winter i will get a racetronix kit. Will my stock pump make enough?? BTW pump has 50k on it.
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that should have been done b4 the injectors.you start making well over 400rwhp and most change out the pump then so you definitely need a pump.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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I NEED SPONSERS OK who has the best prices for a in the tank kit for a 98. I would assume an in the tank 255 would be enough??
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