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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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I have svo 30lbs injectors now but i am not sure if they will feed a 408 that should make rwhp in the 550 range. A few places said it would be no problem but i would really like to be sure, Thanks Shawn
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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550 range is pushing it for 42s, so i'd go 60's.
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 07:19 AM
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Running 30's in my 408. No problems here as well I have Racetronix pNP in the tank.

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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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youd need a really high fuel pressure to get them to run with those power levels....you need at least 42#ers if not 60#ers.
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 06:48 PM
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speedinc has reached 550 at the wheels w/ 30#'rs ... they said they never hit 100% duty cycle. they could be running a fuel pres regulator though. i didin't ask about that.
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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i've fixed many speedinc tunes, and trust me, you do not want to take them as the example of a job well done. i'm not gonna give any more expamples, or the corporate ******, 'scuse me, moderators, will lock this thread.
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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TSP & Thunder said 30lbs would be better due to the fact that it would give a nicer spray pattern and that it's better to run the injector at 85% duty than to run a 42 at a less duty cycle. BTW They also both knew i was looking to purchase the 42lb injectors and they still said stay with your 30lbs
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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if it truly peaks at 85% then great. remember that you can have +/-10% difference on weather alone (i seen it myself, amazed the hell out of me) so don't run it too close to the edge.
but if it's 85% on a low day, and 96% on a high day, then i'd go bigger. call me paranoid, or cheap, but i prefer not to lean out my engine at 6500rpm
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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i highly doubt they hit 550rwhp with 30#ers without jacking up the fuel pressure.why go small and not give youself room to grow seems stupid.
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well, i have tuned a 9sec car that had 30s, but that's because of a big direct shot...

ddnspider: i couldn't agree with you more, i try to stay away from such statements myself as i hate creating 'forum noise' with flamewars.

this is my argument:
svo42s are ~50bux more than svo 30s. most ls1 guys want to go over 400rwhp, for which you will need these 42s. there are very few people that actually fit the svo30 profile. i do, because i am sticking to my dinky cam, and don't give a **** about dyno figures.
so, if you build yourself a 408, you probably at that point dipped 15-20k into your mods alone, so WHY THE **** WOULD YOU WANT TO BLOW IT UP BECAUSE YOU WANNA SAVE 50 bux?!?!?!

sorry, had to vent on that.
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This was not about any money I called to order the injector's and told them i ALLREADY have the 30lbs SVO's and i wanted 42's and they both said it was not needed and this is why i'm here
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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here's my solution for you: scan your car when it's healthy, on a day with good air, see your duty cycles, decide what's good for you, what your comfort levels are.

it is weird that a company wouldn't want to sell you more stuff though.
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This will probably be seen when the car is getting it's tune right?? And what is the MAX i would want to go with the duty cycles? BTW thanks
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redhardsupra..thats exactly what i was think when u said u sprayed.....hell in a wet kit you dont need bigger injectors since extra fuel comes from the nozzle!
destroyer....ask around instead of just 1 company....call a company(ie a sponsor that specficically deals with LS1 stuff preferrably a company that mostly does either FI or N20 or injector sales and see what they say)
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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redhardsupra..thats exactly what i was think when u said u sprayed.....hell in a wet kit you dont need bigger injectors since extra fuel comes from the nozzle!
destroyer....ask around instead of just 1 company....call a company(ie a sponsor that specficically deals with LS1 stuff preferrably a company that mostly does either FI or N20 or injector sales and see what they say)
I spoke to Thunder and texas speed. who would you recommened?? Also this motor will never see any spray or FI. Thanks
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start with this:
to find the fuel requirements take your horsepower and muliply it by a BSFC(brake specific fuel comsumption) ie 550X.5(for NA streetcar)=275lbhr of fuel divide by # of injectors ie 8 so 275/8=34.375lb/hr. now explain how a 30# injectors will product that value without pushing it too much?very easy to solve.math is your friend when it comes to motors
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
start with this:
to find the fuel requirements take your horsepower and muliply it by a BSFC(brake specific fuel comsumption) ie 550X.5(for NA streetcar)=275lbhr of fuel divide by # of injectors ie 8 so 275/8=34.375lb/hr. now explain how a 30# injectors will product that value without pushing it too much?very easy to solve.math is your friend when it comes to motors
This is what i have heard. That a SVO 30lb injector is a 30 lb rating with fords fuel pressure of about 30 {not sure if this # is correct} and that GM's fuel pressure is considerbly higher and this make a SVO 30lb about a 36-37lb injector in a GM Again this is what i have been told
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if thats true than itd make it near 100% duty cycle and then throw in conditions and BAM your over 100% duty cycle.trust me go bigger.what happens if u get the 30s find out theyre too small,then u gotta sell a used set of injectors and buy another set of larger ones whereas u could have just got the bigger set for not much more the first time.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
if thats true than itd make it near 100% duty cycle and then throw in conditions and BAM your over 100% duty cycle.trust me go bigger.what happens if u get the 30s find out theyre too small,then u gotta sell a used set of injectors and buy another set of larger ones whereas u could have just got the bigger set for not much more the first time.
I already have the 30lb svo's! i had them in my old motor and they have about 1k on them. So i was thinking that if they are at 100% or near i can sell them and get 42's. This whole 408 set up is a never ending $$$ draino At this point it better make 600 rwhp
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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if u do it right it could make that.so basically ur just trying to be cheap with the fuel requirements!lol
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