Gears & Axles Driveshafts | Rearends | Differentials | Gears | 12 Bolt | 9 Inch | Dana

Lets talk about Wavetrac

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 12:29 AM
  #1  
BlkBird2000's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 2
From: Wood River, IL
Default Lets talk about Wavetrac

WTF is it? I do not understand how it works. I have a spool right now. I just put it in and it has probably 130 miles on it. I don't have a problem driving it on the street at all. But I think I would like something that is a tad more streetable. Something my girl can drive if need be.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 12:46 AM
  #2  
BlkBird2000's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 2
From: Wood River, IL
Default

Also want to know how strong it is? Will it hold up to some really hard launches? I plan on making 6-700hp with a six speed. Need to know if it will hold all of that.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 12:51 AM
  #3  
FirebirdSS's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
From: Midwest
Default

Subscribed.
I read somewhere they have one in a gto and is pushing some serious times and numbers (high 3 digits) with it and they have not broke one yet... Wish i remembered where i read that.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 01:00 AM
  #4  
same o'j's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 178
Likes: 1
From: Kuwait
Default

me 2
i'd like to know about it
i have 9" moser with Locker & i plan to swap it with wavetrac
but still wondering bout it
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 01:02 AM
  #5  
same o'j's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 178
Likes: 1
From: Kuwait
Default

i think this will help :

https://www.brutespeed.com/rear_end_information.htm
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 01:17 AM
  #6  
3500lt's Avatar
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Default

I just ordered a moser 9inch with wavetrac, ordered it with all the chassi options. honestly dont know much about it. What sold me is the lifetime warrany, that its streetable and will handle more than the 600whp im goona be throwing at it with a 6spd. should have it in a month or so, and will post lots of pictures of the install. my fiance is goona be sad that there is a break in period, but its almost winter anyways.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 02:01 AM
  #7  
BlkBird2000's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 2
From: Wood River, IL
Default

I don't know much about it either even after reading on brute speed. Does a wavetrac lock to two axles together like a spool does?
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 06:12 AM
  #8  
Carter Hays's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 393
Likes: 0
Default

http://www.wavetrac.net/technical.htm... tells you how they work.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

 Brett Foote
story-1

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-8

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-9

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 06:36 AM
  #9  
Bob@BruteSpeed's Avatar
LS1Tech Sponsor
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 21,020
Likes: 35
From: Roanoke, IN
Default

The Wavetrac requires 35 spline axles, and a 3.250 case. Ryan, you're in luck as you would have the 3.250 case since we ordered your rear with the 35 spline axles. Here is a link to where I sell the 9 inch Wavetrac. http://shop.brutespeed.com/Moser-5W9...ser-5W9F35.htm Bob
__________________
ATI ProCharger and Moser Sales 260 672-2076

PM's disabled, please e-mail me
E-mail: brutespeed@gmail.comob@brutespeed.com

https://brutespeed.com/ Link to website


Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 02:03 PM
  #10  
BlkBird2000's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 2
From: Wood River, IL
Default

Yea I seen that on your site. I might order one next late spring early summer. Want to get down to mid 11s before I do tho. I have 4:56s too so I will also need new gears. Going to go to 3.75s and gonna get a start on my procharged setup.

Still have some time to really figure out how this works. I read it all but it's still a little blurry. Hoping for some insight on someone who actually has this wavetrac.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2010 | 05:14 PM
  #11  
SS4Luck's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,215
Likes: 2
From: Sterling Heights, MI
Default

My MWC setup just came this morning with my wavetrac, ill pm you about it after I get some miles on it and some trac passes and let you know how it is/does
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2010 | 12:32 AM
  #12  
BlkBird2000's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 2
From: Wood River, IL
Default

Does it kinda act like a locker? Locks the axles together when going straight but allows one axle to turn more than another when making a turn.
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2010 | 02:16 AM
  #13  
SS4Luck's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,215
Likes: 2
From: Sterling Heights, MI
Default

from what i can tell yes. All i know is if you have everything splined up and ready to go in, you turn one axle forward the other goes forward too
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2010 | 06:11 AM
  #14  
Bob@BruteSpeed's Avatar
LS1Tech Sponsor
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 21,020
Likes: 35
From: Roanoke, IN
Default

You'll never know you have a Wavetrac back there, it acts just like a stocker as far as how well it drives. As the Wavetrac has only been out for about one year, only time will tell if it can handle a lot of abuse. Bob

WHAT MAKES A WAVETRAC® DIFFERENT
To best understand how the Wavetrac® is truly different from the other gear differentials on the market, you first have to understand the primary problem that the Wavetrac® solves.
The problem: Loss of drive during zero or near-zero axle-load conditions.
Zero axle-load is a condition that occurs during normal driving, but creates the most noticeable problems when driving in extreme conditions. Zero or near-zero axle-load is the condition that exists when there is ‘no-load’ applied through the drivetrain, when one drive wheel is nearly or completely lifted (often in aggressive cornering). It also occurs during the transition from engine driving a vehicle to engine braking and back, even with both drive wheels firmly on the ground.

Here’s how that loss of drive hurts you:
1) If you lift a wheel, all gear diffs except Wavetrac®, will NOT power the other wheel.
2) During the transition from accel to decel, all gear diffs except Wavetrac®, do nothing.

Why does this happen?
All gear LSDs (including Torsen®, Truetrac®, Quaife®, Peloquin, OBX, etc.) work in basically the same manner: they divide the drive torque between the two axles, applying drive to each side, up to the available grip of each tire. The amount of drive torque one wheel can get over the other is described as the bias ratio, a measure of the torque split across the axle.
Standard, open differentials have a bias ratio of 1:1. They can only apply as much drive torque as there is available traction at one wheel. When one wheel loses grip, the total available drive is lost as well (at a 1:1 ratio). All your power goes out the slipping wheel - along the path of least resistance.
Torque biasing differentials offer increased bias ratios over open differentials. For example, if a diff has a bias ratio of 2.5:1, then it can apply drive torque to the wheel with the most traction (gripping wheel) at 2.5 times the traction limit of the wheel with the least traction (slipping wheel). This is a significant improvement over an open diff… most of the time.
The problem is that when one tire has LITTLE or NO grip (zero axle-load), the other wheel gets ZERO DRIVE, because (basic math here): 2.5 x 0 = 0.
Lift a wheel (or substantially unload a wheel) and you get zero axle-load on that side - that means that during the time the wheel is unloaded, the typical diff will NOT power the wheel that’s still on the ground. No matter how high the bias ratio, you get no power to the ground.
During the transition from accel to decel, where you have near zero torque on the axle, even if the wheels are on the ground, the typical diff is unable to begin applying drive torque until AFTER the zero torque condition is over. While this condition is generally short-lived, the fact that most diffs can do nothing during that time means that there will be a delay once the zero torque condition stops - creating a reaction time in the driveline.

The Wavetrac®, however, is different:
The innovative, patent-pending, Wavetrac® device in the center of the diff responds during these exact conditions when zero or near-zero axle-load occurs. At or near zero axle-load, the axles (and therefore each side gear in the diff) start to turn at different speeds.
This speed differential causes the Wavetrac® device to step into action:
Precisely engineered wave profiles are placed on one side gear and its mating preload hub. As the two side gears rotate relative to each other, each wave surface climbs the other, causing them to move apart.
Very quickly, this creates enough internal load within the Wavetrac® to STOP the zero axle-load condition.
The zero axle-load condition is halted, and the drive torque is applied to the wheel on the ground (the gripping wheel)… keeping the power down.
Some gear differentials rely solely on preload springs to combat loss of drive. The drawback is that you can’t add enough preload to prevent loss of drive without creating tremendous handling and wear problems at the same time. So, to avoid these problems, the preload from ordinary spring packs must be reduced to a level that renders them ineffective at preventing loss of drive. The Wavetrac® is the only differential that can automatically add more load internally when it’s required.
In the case where both wheels are on the ground during zero axle load, such as during a transition to deceleration, the Wavetrac® device is able to prepare the drivetrain for when the zero torque condition stops, eliminating the delay seen with ordinary gear diffs.
What this means for you as a driver is that power is delivered to the gripping wheels for more time and in a more constant manner – making you faster and improving stability.
The Wavetrac® truly is different - and its innovative features can make a real difference in your car’s performance.
__________________
ATI ProCharger and Moser Sales 260 672-2076

PM's disabled, please e-mail me
E-mail: brutespeed@gmail.comob@brutespeed.com

https://brutespeed.com/ Link to website


Reply
Old Sep 22, 2010 | 11:33 AM
  #15  
3500lt's Avatar
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Default

I wanna know what the limitations are on the warranty. from my understanding, if you show them a broken one, they will show you a new one. When I get mine i guess we will see. hopefully it doesnt break.
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2010 | 10:39 PM
  #16  
BlkBird2000's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,786
Likes: 2
From: Wood River, IL
Default

Waiting to see if this thing can hold up to some high hp and some hard 6 speed launches. If it can take the abuse, I'll be calling Bob next spring.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 05:37 AM
  #17  
Bob@BruteSpeed's Avatar
LS1Tech Sponsor
20 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 21,020
Likes: 35
From: Roanoke, IN
Default

Originally Posted by BlkBird2000
Waiting to see if this thing can hold up to some high hp and some hard 6 speed launches. If it can take the abuse, I'll be calling Bob next spring.
Sounds like a good plan, thanks. Bob
__________________
ATI ProCharger and Moser Sales 260 672-2076

PM's disabled, please e-mail me
E-mail: brutespeed@gmail.comob@brutespeed.com

https://brutespeed.com/ Link to website


Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:13 PM.

story-0
6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

Don't get dad new socks or a grill brush this year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 14:55:56


VIEW MORE
story-1
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-2
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-6
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-9
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE