Which 12 bolt to choose...
Originally Posted by chief455
hmmmm.... I wondered if you read my post!!
I totally understand avoiding the 'Bury!
I am just north of Torrington on the lake.
Work in Watertown.
My car has been parked since October 'cause like you, it's no daily driver
My 3 ch Strange rear is being built now.
I had a '95 with ABS/TCS and i am pretty sure only one sensor from the ring gear.
Are you in school now?
I totally understand avoiding the 'Bury!
I am just north of Torrington on the lake.
Work in Watertown.
My car has been parked since October 'cause like you, it's no daily driver
My 3 ch Strange rear is being built now.
I had a '95 with ABS/TCS and i am pretty sure only one sensor from the ring gear.
Are you in school now?
(even though it's sitting in the garage).
Originally Posted by lilstephsls1
haha i just read the post today! where in watertown do you work? And yes, i'm at school now but ill be home a lot more on the weekends once it gets nicer to drive the car. Do you go to school as well or anything? I actually live in wolcott, im sure you are familiar with the area otherwise no one else is. I'm installing the moser with 4.10s (4 channel) i think next sunday with a friend! I'll see how that goes and drives before i say if i like the rear or not but i've heard great things about moser anyways. I can say i like the looks of it right now (even though it's sitting in the garage).
(even though it's sitting in the garage).
Please - let us know when you do the swap how much difference the driveshaft fit is. Some say stock is working, some say stock fits real tight, others say you need a shorter d/s.
I am waiting for my Strange and want a stronger d/s and want it now!
I did not like to torque arm mounting holes the Moser has. Strange is straight through as stock. Also mine is 3 ch, and Strange comes with my ABS sensor installed ready to plug. Moser don't. Strange the standard posi is 33 spline Super Strength, Moser standard is 30 spline weakling.
Perhaps this summer we can get side by side, do as many 7000 rpm launches as we can until the first rear grenades
I read and commented in your ME thread - best of luck with that.
I'll pm any personal info since we're local...
Originally Posted by chief455
Also mine is 3 ch, and Strange comes with my ABS sensor installed ready to plug. Moser don't. Strange the standard posi is 33 spline Super Strength, Moser standard is 30 spline weakling.
I went with a Strange. Only a slight whine around 50-55mph. I took the cover off at 1000 miles to change the gear oil and to look things over. Other than there being a couple of tiny metal slivers on the magnet, the housing was clean with no other metal shavings of any kind. A friend of mine who is familiar with gears took a look at the wear pattern and said it looked good to him. Rear now has about 2500 miles on it, some of which I was being rough on it with no new noises appearing. Now, it hasn't been to the track yet which is something I plan to do soon....so I suppose its possible that it will be louder after the trip. I have also called Strange a couple of times asking questions and they have been nothing but very helpful and willing to spend how ever long it takes to get satisfaction. Customer service goes a long way with me, especially after the sale. Strange gets my vote.
cheif455- Unless Strange changed something recently or unless mine was an oddball, the ABS sensor is not going to come with a plug on it. It will already be installed into the housing but will have about 8 inches or so of wires connected to it with bare ends. You will have to splice into your harness on the car. Just unplug the ABS harness from the car (you will see where) and take the connector off of the end that would plug into the factory ABS sensor and splice together. Takes about 5 minutes. Just wanted to give you a heads up since it kinda caught me off guard as well.
cheif455- Unless Strange changed something recently or unless mine was an oddball, the ABS sensor is not going to come with a plug on it. It will already be installed into the housing but will have about 8 inches or so of wires connected to it with bare ends. You will have to splice into your harness on the car. Just unplug the ABS harness from the car (you will see where) and take the connector off of the end that would plug into the factory ABS sensor and splice together. Takes about 5 minutes. Just wanted to give you a heads up since it kinda caught me off guard as well.
It's obvious most are bias to what they own, which is pretty common. I looked at both rearends before I made my decision. I think either rearend is fine to go with. I made my decision based on this:
1. I liked the TA mounting much better on the Strange (just like factory) than the Moser.
2. The Strange had brake line mounting brackets, Moser didn't. No big deal, but still...
3. Strange came complete ready to bolt in, Moser comes without the axles installed in which you need to have bearings pressed on after installing the backing plates. No big deal, but still...
4. The price I got my Strange was only $50 more than the same equiped Moser. I got mine for $2300 with all options including the heavy duty posi.
Only con's (not for me since it's not my DD) on the Strange for some people is the ship time is longer (but they do test run the rear at the factory), about 3 weeks, and you have to ship them your backing plates and reluctor rings ahead of time which might be a pain if your car is your daily driver.
Not saying anything negative about Moser, these are just MY reasons for choosing Strange.
BTW, those prices do NOT include shipping! Depending on where you live, it could be pricey. I paid $320 for shipping to Cali. They do NOT tell you what shipping is untill it shows up at your door. It was estimated it would cost 150-$200 for mine when I ordered it.
Also, the moser does come with bigger axle tubes (nothing else bigger, beefier or stronger about Moser) but not axles, strength should be the same IMO.
Anyway, opinions are going to vary, but you might be happy with either. I think the strange is of better quality though...again, IMO!
Dan
1. I liked the TA mounting much better on the Strange (just like factory) than the Moser.
2. The Strange had brake line mounting brackets, Moser didn't. No big deal, but still...
3. Strange came complete ready to bolt in, Moser comes without the axles installed in which you need to have bearings pressed on after installing the backing plates. No big deal, but still...
4. The price I got my Strange was only $50 more than the same equiped Moser. I got mine for $2300 with all options including the heavy duty posi.
Only con's (not for me since it's not my DD) on the Strange for some people is the ship time is longer (but they do test run the rear at the factory), about 3 weeks, and you have to ship them your backing plates and reluctor rings ahead of time which might be a pain if your car is your daily driver.
Not saying anything negative about Moser, these are just MY reasons for choosing Strange.
BTW, those prices do NOT include shipping! Depending on where you live, it could be pricey. I paid $320 for shipping to Cali. They do NOT tell you what shipping is untill it shows up at your door. It was estimated it would cost 150-$200 for mine when I ordered it.
Also, the moser does come with bigger axle tubes (nothing else bigger, beefier or stronger about Moser) but not axles, strength should be the same IMO.
Anyway, opinions are going to vary, but you might be happy with either. I think the strange is of better quality though...again, IMO!
Dan
Originally Posted by DanZ28
Also, the moser does come with bigger axle tubes (nothing else bigger, beefier or stronger about Moser) but not axles, strength should be the same IMO.
They didn't sacrifice mounting options for no reason.
Originally Posted by TripleBlackRamAirT/A
I agree with all you say, the only reason I got the moser is because of the deal I got on it. But....... obviously the axle tubes are bigger therefore stronger, but the housing it self is also beefier, hence the reason for the different t/a mounting procedure. They didn't sacrifice mounting options for no reason.
They didn't sacrifice mounting options for no reason.3 different guys gave 3 different scenarios how to do it.
I have not seen either makes housing being a failure point so the through bolt ta mount is only a plus to me. Also, yes, if the Moser came for a 3 ch car it has the ABS sensor hole plugged. 10 minutes to swap in the sensor - easy. But why bother add another little detail that has room for error? different size hole cast for the sensor, not located perfectly with the exciter ring...
not the only reasons, just the many reasons I chose Strange. After 26 years buying aftrmarket parts, I know anything the vendor leaves for you to do on the install means more room for difficulty, mix ups and retuns.
Mainly: ta mount, tech/customer support.
My .02
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Originally Posted by Chad01Z28
cheif455- Unless Strange changed something recently or unless mine was an oddball, the ABS sensor is not going to come with a plug on it. It will already be installed into the housing but will have about 8 inches or so of wires connected to it with bare ends. You will have to splice into your harness on the car. Just unplug the ABS harness from the car (you will see where) and take the connector off of the end that would plug into the factory ABS sensor and splice together. Takes about 5 minutes. Just wanted to give you a heads up since it kinda caught me off guard as well.
Originally Posted by chief455
I agree with every reason he chose Strange. I owned a Moser and sold it. The tech support was poor when I questioned how to convert 4 ch rear to 3 ch.
3 different guys gave 3 different scenarios how to do it.
I have not seen either makes housing being a failure point so the through bolt ta mount is only a plus to me. Also, yes, if the Moser came for a 3 ch car it has the ABS sensor hole plugged. 10 minutes to swap in the sensor - easy. But why bother add another little detail that has room for error? different size hole cast for the sensor, not located perfectly with the exciter ring...
not the only reasons, just the many reasons I chose Strange. After 26 years buying aftrmarket parts, I know anything the vendor leaves for you to do on the install means more room for difficulty, mix ups and retuns.
Mainly: ta mount, tech/customer support.
My .02
3 different guys gave 3 different scenarios how to do it.
I have not seen either makes housing being a failure point so the through bolt ta mount is only a plus to me. Also, yes, if the Moser came for a 3 ch car it has the ABS sensor hole plugged. 10 minutes to swap in the sensor - easy. But why bother add another little detail that has room for error? different size hole cast for the sensor, not located perfectly with the exciter ring...
not the only reasons, just the many reasons I chose Strange. After 26 years buying aftrmarket parts, I know anything the vendor leaves for you to do on the install means more room for difficulty, mix ups and retuns.
Mainly: ta mount, tech/customer support.
My .02
cutting factory wiring harness and splicing wires is worse than unscrewing one bolt and re-screwing it into the new rear!
my moser was at my house 8 days (only 6 business days) after it was ordered. i painted it up, pressed bearings on, got the napa 447 u-joint for the 1350 yolk and threw it together. went in smooth and easy. it is DEAD silent now! i expected to hear some whine but it doesnt make any, at any speed, and i have 4.11's.
PS - if you have it shipped to a business (maby where you or someone you know works that has a shipping dept.) it will cost WAY LESS. i had it shipped to my work and got a 68% discount! would have been over 300$ and only cost 110$
my moser was at my house 8 days (only 6 business days) after it was ordered. i painted it up, pressed bearings on, got the napa 447 u-joint for the 1350 yolk and threw it together. went in smooth and easy. it is DEAD silent now! i expected to hear some whine but it doesnt make any, at any speed, and i have 4.11's.
PS - if you have it shipped to a business (maby where you or someone you know works that has a shipping dept.) it will cost WAY LESS. i had it shipped to my work and got a 68% discount! would have been over 300$ and only cost 110$
I've had my moser 12 with 4.11's in for about a month... it only started to howl just a little bit after the first hard launch... but with any aftermarket rear that is expected... I am very happy with it... i didn't install the ABS becuase im going to take it off and i did not install the ASR because that will come off also... its just weight but i just wanted to say i am happy with the moser product. fast shipping!
Tyler
but i just wanted to say i am happy with the moser product. fast shipping!Tyler
Yeah, had I known about the esculated price, I would of done that to on the shipping, live and learn!
I didn't realize the housing was bigger as well. Either way, it's like twice what the 10 bolt was. A beefier housing might have less flex in it though. One of my buddies had a problem with his Moser on his lowered T/A, had to use a little hammer action to the underside, wonder if that was because of the beefier housing?!
Dan
I didn't realize the housing was bigger as well. Either way, it's like twice what the 10 bolt was. A beefier housing might have less flex in it though. One of my buddies had a problem with his Moser on his lowered T/A, had to use a little hammer action to the underside, wonder if that was because of the beefier housing?!
Dan
my tq-arm needed a little convincing by mr. ball-pien hammer (only cause i'm a weakling ), but it fit really nice. the axle tubes on a moser are also larger than the strange tubes.
), but it fit really nice. the axle tubes on a moser are also larger than the strange tubes. 
can anyone tell me if my 01 ss has 4 channel or 3 channel? i am just curious.
also it is fully loaded with traction control, and ABS.
Thanks
Louie
also it is fully loaded with traction control, and ABS.
Thanks
Louie
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Both products are fairly close in quality. Moser 12 bolts use 4 bolts to attach the torque arm where Strange uses 2 like a 9". If you buy a Moser nay it delivered unassembled and have someone local who knows what they are doing set it up. Moser will tell you that the whine comrs from the heavy gears they use which is pure BS they just don't take the time to set the gears up properly. On 98 and up F bodies a 3 channel rear picks up the signal on top of the housing thru a single reluctor ring on the posi unit while on a 4 channel rear there are sensors/reluctor rings on both sides of the rear at the ends of the axles.