rear end problems.....
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Staging Lane
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From: Taylorsville, NC
rear end problems..... so my friend steven took his 00 WS-6 (m6, no traction control) to the strip yesterday...and, i think he broke it.
he was on 295/45/18 tires...and was launching at 6000ish. He did turn an 8.18@87 with a basically stock car.....but, on his last run the car just didn't go right.
i jacked it up and had him spin the wheels...and it sounds like marbles in the pumpkin...so, we're figuring he either broke the diff or the gear (a week old richmond 4.10)
his dad mentioned a 12 bolt swap...but neither he, nor I, knows exactly what he needs to order/look for...or where to order from. So...can anyone lend a hand. I did some searching, and came up wiht some stuff....but i'd rather just get a straight answer because there are so many conflicting opinons....
he was on 295/45/18 tires...and was launching at 6000ish. He did turn an 8.18@87 with a basically stock car.....but, on his last run the car just didn't go right.
i jacked it up and had him spin the wheels...and it sounds like marbles in the pumpkin...so, we're figuring he either broke the diff or the gear (a week old richmond 4.10)
his dad mentioned a 12 bolt swap...but neither he, nor I, knows exactly what he needs to order/look for...or where to order from. So...can anyone lend a hand. I did some searching, and came up wiht some stuff....but i'd rather just get a straight answer because there are so many conflicting opinons....
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From: Boring Green, Kentucky
Originally Posted by rhd
so my friend steven took his 00 WS-6 (m6, no traction control) to the strip yesterday...and, i think he broke it.
he was on 295/45/18 tires...and was launching at 6000ish. He did turn an 8.18@87 with a basically stock car.....but, on his last run the car just didn't go right.
i jacked it up and had him spin the wheels...and it sounds like marbles in the pumpkin...so, we're figuring he either broke the diff or the gear (a week old richmond 4.10)
his dad mentioned a 12 bolt swap...but neither he, nor I, knows exactly what he needs to order/look for...or where to order from. So...can anyone lend a hand. I did some searching, and came up wiht some stuff....but i'd rather just get a straight answer because there are so many conflicting opinons....
he was on 295/45/18 tires...and was launching at 6000ish. He did turn an 8.18@87 with a basically stock car.....but, on his last run the car just didn't go right.
i jacked it up and had him spin the wheels...and it sounds like marbles in the pumpkin...so, we're figuring he either broke the diff or the gear (a week old richmond 4.10)
his dad mentioned a 12 bolt swap...but neither he, nor I, knows exactly what he needs to order/look for...or where to order from. So...can anyone lend a hand. I did some searching, and came up wiht some stuff....but i'd rather just get a straight answer because there are so many conflicting opinons....
I would say for sure you guys busted the stocker. I would also say if 6k launches are in the future, lose the stock 10 bolt forever.
12 Bolt -either Moser or Strange will help. With Strange, there is a wait, but set up is usually better, along with customer service. Moser is quicker, but set up and customer service is hit and miss.
9" rear is the strongest but also the heaviest. If this car is going to be powered up more, this is your option. Some 12 bolts have been broken (posi's) by high rpm dumps with slicks.
It is ultimately your choice on which route to take. Options can be a good thing. Look at the vendors (to the right) for choices and prices. Also look in the Group Purchase section, I think there's one going on now for Moser.
Why would you do a 6000 rpm clutch dump? That is dumb!! Where is your peak torque rpm? I bet around 4000-4500! So launch from that rpm, you will be faster. You are going beyond your power band launching at 6000 and you have no torque up that high.
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Staging Lane
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when you lauch higher...it will fall back to the power band nicely.... he's tried launching at all differnet rpm...different burnouts...everything. for his car, the 6k works, and works well.
he's deff going 12 bolt...but the moser/strange thing is the big question now. he was also wondering if there's any cheaper alternatives...since he's not even got bolt ons yet
he's deff going 12 bolt...but the moser/strange thing is the big question now. he was also wondering if there's any cheaper alternatives...since he's not even got bolt ons yet
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Staging Lane
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why does it seem weird? gearing/power/driver/clutch/suspension....everythign plays its part in how/why a car launches the way it does....every car that's setup different works differently.
his car is on a stock clutch..so it does slip a bit, not a lot...but enough. He leaves the line letting the clutch all the way out..and lets it basically slip itself. since it slips he can launch higher and just let the car get to speed with the clutch slipping as it will. it's ghetto...but with the results he has...i don't think it's somethign to argue against.
his car is on a stock clutch..so it does slip a bit, not a lot...but enough. He leaves the line letting the clutch all the way out..and lets it basically slip itself. since it slips he can launch higher and just let the car get to speed with the clutch slipping as it will. it's ghetto...but with the results he has...i don't think it's somethign to argue against.
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Verdad Gallardo I guess I think it is weird, because I have an S10 with 357 in it with a th350 and 3000 stall. With 3.73 gears. The engine makes peak power from 5500-6000, but torque peak is at 4500 rpm. So if say i left the line at 5000 rpm(which leaving off idle makes enough smoke), I would be surpassing the fat part of the torque band, making my et slower.
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From: Boring Green, Kentucky
Originally Posted by rhd
pulled the cover today...6 broke teeth...damn Richmond!
he's ordering a Motive today...
he's ordering a Motive today...
And from MY experience, Richmonds > Motives (strength)
Good luck either way!
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ive heard of many motives breaking
but this is the first time ive heard of richmonds breaking
then again,
everyone else here knows better than to launch 6k on a 10-bolt.
if you think he cant afford a 12-bolt now,
wait till he buys a set of gears that are weaker than the last ones he had.
save or..
just save.
get a 12.
some will say to get it with a spool if youre going to be launching at that crazy rpm
but this is the first time ive heard of richmonds breaking
then again,
everyone else here knows better than to launch 6k on a 10-bolt.
if you think he cant afford a 12-bolt now,
wait till he buys a set of gears that are weaker than the last ones he had.
save or..
just save.
get a 12.
some will say to get it with a spool if youre going to be launching at that crazy rpm
Something will break with those launches, it might not be the R&P next time. Do a search. Guys have broken axles, diffs, r&p, even driveshafts.
I have no personal experience, but have done lots of research. Looks like Strange is the best way to go for a quality experience (no problems).
I have no personal experience, but have done lots of research. Looks like Strange is the best way to go for a quality experience (no problems).
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Staging Lane
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From: Taylorsville, NC
from everyone i've talked to...they say the GM gears are the best (the motive one he orderd was the GM gear)
and i've yet to ever see a GOOD richmond...in any application...
but, as for the strip, he's given it up for a while. he's satisfied with the times he's run...and he'll just wait till we do something interesting to the car before going back...maybe by then he'll have a 12 bolt
and i've yet to ever see a GOOD richmond...in any application...
but, as for the strip, he's given it up for a while. he's satisfied with the times he's run...and he'll just wait till we do something interesting to the car before going back...maybe by then he'll have a 12 bolt