9" w/3 channel
Originally Posted by Studytime
No one likes to argue with an engineer- they're always right. 
No offense taken in your personal attack either. 
(No disrespect meant in that statement, I'm an engineer too.)
Ben T.
No offense taken in your personal attack either. (No disrespect meant in that statement, I'm an engineer too.)
Ben T.
I do wish you all well.
Originally Posted by SJM Manufacturing Inc
Gee, I've never thought of that 
There is opposition, statistics show that the many people in a panic situation hit the brakes hard, feel that there is something wrong with their brakes since the feel they are not stopping and feel an odd pulsing feeling on their feet. They then let OFF of the brake pedal actually making braking worse. This is a whole other topic in itself, so I’m not going into that more.
I suppose you never drove a car that did not have ABS. You obviously did not read my post too well to understand what I have said. ABS is not a crutch.
With that being said, you can stick with your stock rear-end since you can't purchase something you want. You can never change different diameter tires ,and don't ever consider changing to different caliper/rotor setup. You're pretty much stuck.
…It amazes me when someone offers a solution to a problem that there’s a wise-guy that comes in and ridicules it. I think my background and working knowledge of mechanical designs gives me at least an inkling of technical considerations.
There is opposition, statistics show that the many people in a panic situation hit the brakes hard, feel that there is something wrong with their brakes since the feel they are not stopping and feel an odd pulsing feeling on their feet. They then let OFF of the brake pedal actually making braking worse. This is a whole other topic in itself, so I’m not going into that more.
I suppose you never drove a car that did not have ABS. You obviously did not read my post too well to understand what I have said. ABS is not a crutch.
With that being said, you can stick with your stock rear-end since you can't purchase something you want. You can never change different diameter tires ,and don't ever consider changing to different caliper/rotor setup. You're pretty much stuck.
…It amazes me when someone offers a solution to a problem that there’s a wise-guy that comes in and ridicules it. I think my background and working knowledge of mechanical designs gives me at least an inkling of technical considerations.
I'm pretty sure if you even know there's such a thing as three or four-channel ABS, you wouldn't be the guy (or girl) who lets off the brake petal in a panic stop. All the people reading this thread, apparently, are privy to the first line in this paragraph. So, don't play us for fools.
Even still my favorite was, "maybe you reconsider your driving habits in the rain [so as not to require ABS]". Nice way to trivialize the importance of ABS on wet roads. [/end sarcasm]
Ben T.
Originally Posted by SJM Manufacturing Inc
many folks hide behind their computer and offers at best googled solutions or their knowlege from their 20 years of life. Sometimes it's quite frustrating to read some of these posts.
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These threads always **** me off. Some peope need functioning 3-channel abs, period! Be it for insurance reasons, safety reasons, piece of mind, or because the lepprechaun under there bed told them to do it, who cares. The fact is that there has been a demand for this for YEARS now. And no one seems to have come up with a satisfactory answer. Why is it that everytime someone tries to find a solution for their 3channel abs m6 woes, someone always jumps in with the "ditch abs you, don't need it" argument?
Anyone who spends more than 5 minutes browsing through the pages of this website is WELL AWARE of the fact that yes, you have the alternative option to do away with abs and go 9inch. This response, however, does not solve the problem!!!
So, to the member who started this thread, nobody makes a three channel abs setup for the 9-inch, and I imaging it will probobly never happen because I would guess it to a be a potential liability for the company that manufactures it, should it ever fail on the street and cause an accident (read lawsuit) but this is just a guess. If you want it, you'll have to fabricate it yourself. Other options for 3 channel seem to be 12-bolt or s60. Supposedly the 12-bolt will hold up if it's built by a competent mechanic. The jury is still out on the s60's.
Good luck, I'm in the same boat as you with this problem.
Anyone who spends more than 5 minutes browsing through the pages of this website is WELL AWARE of the fact that yes, you have the alternative option to do away with abs and go 9inch. This response, however, does not solve the problem!!!
So, to the member who started this thread, nobody makes a three channel abs setup for the 9-inch, and I imaging it will probobly never happen because I would guess it to a be a potential liability for the company that manufactures it, should it ever fail on the street and cause an accident (read lawsuit) but this is just a guess. If you want it, you'll have to fabricate it yourself. Other options for 3 channel seem to be 12-bolt or s60. Supposedly the 12-bolt will hold up if it's built by a competent mechanic. The jury is still out on the s60's.
Good luck, I'm in the same boat as you with this problem.
Ben,
You're reading words incorrectly, never did I attempt to be rude to you or discredit your statements. I was happy to hear that what I was discussing was on the same level plane as you are. I'm assuming your discipline is similar as mine. Commenting on that you needed to keep all things equal to have ABS work as stock was an assumption that I figured you'd be well aware of due to your position. Defensive driving is important.
I'm not sure if the 20 years old statement or the Googled response bothered you but it shouldn’t have. I stated it since I see folks who are "versed" or "experienced" making statements or claims where it was obvious they actually cut and paste someone else’s response to a question by using Google or other search engine. It's happened with comments I've made and someone else used the exact words or phrase in a sentence.
Regarding ABS!, many insurance companies wiill have a problem with you regarding modifications that are race oriented, aftermarket rear-ends, superchargers, nitrous, suspension components etc. TCS, ABS; each person will have their own personal preferences to what they like. The best solution is to drive defensibly.
This thread is now polutioned with comments and offer no solution to the question that the original poster has asked for.
You're reading words incorrectly, never did I attempt to be rude to you or discredit your statements. I was happy to hear that what I was discussing was on the same level plane as you are. I'm assuming your discipline is similar as mine. Commenting on that you needed to keep all things equal to have ABS work as stock was an assumption that I figured you'd be well aware of due to your position. Defensive driving is important.
I'm not sure if the 20 years old statement or the Googled response bothered you but it shouldn’t have. I stated it since I see folks who are "versed" or "experienced" making statements or claims where it was obvious they actually cut and paste someone else’s response to a question by using Google or other search engine. It's happened with comments I've made and someone else used the exact words or phrase in a sentence.
Regarding ABS!, many insurance companies wiill have a problem with you regarding modifications that are race oriented, aftermarket rear-ends, superchargers, nitrous, suspension components etc. TCS, ABS; each person will have their own personal preferences to what they like. The best solution is to drive defensibly.
This thread is now polutioned with comments and offer no solution to the question that the original poster has asked for.
I like my car better without ABS. When its gone, it allows you to find the limits of your setup and driving ability. ABS always kicks on at the wrong times when you start trying to carve corners. I certainly would not hesitate to buy a 9" because of no 3 channel ABS.
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I can understand that. However, since your 9inch does NOT have abs, it is not relevant to this discussion as the title is "9" w/3 channel"
I don't want to, or mean to, come off sounding like a smart ***, and I respect your opinion, but my whole point is that anything that does not have to do with retaining 3-channel abs is, I believe, outside the scope of the topic.
I don't want to, or mean to, come off sounding like a smart ***, and I respect your opinion, but my whole point is that anything that does not have to do with retaining 3-channel abs is, I believe, outside the scope of the topic.
Originally Posted by UMD_Jesse
I can understand that. However, since your 9inch does NOT have abs, it is not relevant to this discussion as the title is "9" w/3 channel"
I don't want to, or mean to, come off sounding like a smart ***, and I respect your opinion, but my whole point is that anything that does not have to do with retaining 3-channel abs is, I believe, outside the scope of the topic.
I don't want to, or mean to, come off sounding like a smart ***, and I respect your opinion, but my whole point is that anything that does not have to do with retaining 3-channel abs is, I believe, outside the scope of the topic.
How many of you guys are w/out your ABS and what do you think of a daily driver w/out the ABS?
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I have to side with SJM on this subject.
When ABS first came out it was taught in driving schools to firmly apply the
brakes & basicly totally rely on them.
Which is TOTALLY WRONG. You should drive an ABS car just like a car without it.
ABS is an aid. When it kicks on you should slightly release and re-apply pressure.
Effectively "pumping the brakes" NOT A RAPID TOTAL RELEASE & SLAM IT DOWN.
The last I heard was that most Police cars do not have ABS because
when it first came out they were killing themselves.
Give it a try on an slick/icy day. I can get my car to stop allot quicker with the
correct method. I have and own cars with and without abs and I rather not have it.
I like to be in total control of what my brakes are doing.
I know abs may have a slight advantage on panic slamming on the brakes
and not releasing them (which still greatly reduces you ability to stop ,like skidding) but the disadvantages outweigh them in my eyes.
When ABS first came out it was taught in driving schools to firmly apply the
brakes & basicly totally rely on them.
Which is TOTALLY WRONG. You should drive an ABS car just like a car without it.
ABS is an aid. When it kicks on you should slightly release and re-apply pressure.
Effectively "pumping the brakes" NOT A RAPID TOTAL RELEASE & SLAM IT DOWN.
The last I heard was that most Police cars do not have ABS because
when it first came out they were killing themselves.
Give it a try on an slick/icy day. I can get my car to stop allot quicker with the
correct method. I have and own cars with and without abs and I rather not have it.
I like to be in total control of what my brakes are doing.
I know abs may have a slight advantage on panic slamming on the brakes
and not releasing them (which still greatly reduces you ability to stop ,like skidding) but the disadvantages outweigh them in my eyes.
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From: Orlaanndoooo
One advantage of ditching your ABS is weight savings....I'm curious....what weight savings can be had by ditching the ABS? 10 pounds? 15?
In regards to the liability issue of manufacturers not offering a 9" with 3 channel ABS....wouldn't that be the same liability they face when they offer one with 4 channel ABS, a 12 bolt with either, or a Dana 60 with either?
Arguments can be made for ditching ABS, and some of them are valid for some instances. However, arguments can also be made that extra power (and thus the need for a stronger rear axle) in an F-body is not necessary. I see it as somewhat odd that no manufacturer has stepped up to the plate and met the consumers' demands for 3-channel ABS on a 9".
In regards to the liability issue of manufacturers not offering a 9" with 3 channel ABS....wouldn't that be the same liability they face when they offer one with 4 channel ABS, a 12 bolt with either, or a Dana 60 with either?
Arguments can be made for ditching ABS, and some of them are valid for some instances. However, arguments can also be made that extra power (and thus the need for a stronger rear axle) in an F-body is not necessary. I see it as somewhat odd that no manufacturer has stepped up to the plate and met the consumers' demands for 3-channel ABS on a 9".
Last edited by Awake455; Nov 4, 2006 at 04:33 PM. Reason: can't type
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Who knows about the liability, but thats the only reason I could guess. The demand has been there for YEARS. Why else would no one come up with one and ****** up that market???
Originally Posted by Awake455
One advantage of ditching your ABS is weight savings....I'm curious....what weight savings can be had by ditching the ABS? 10 pounds? 15?
Jesus , if you want to keep abs for a 3 channel, then get a 12 bolt, if not get a 9 inch....There seems to be too many little pussies on here getting their feelings hurt too easy, The abs delete kit that SJM offers is an awesome product, buy or not, but otherwise shut the hell up, nonone is trying to force any of u guys to delete your abs
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What a well thought out, insightful, and curtious reply! Thanks for your contribution. In the future though, might I suggest taking a deep breath and counting to ten before posting. And you if you read you pretty much just repeated EXACTLEY what I said 12 posts up.
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