Moser or strange 12 bolt?
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Moser or strange 12 bolt? Which is the better 12 bolt? Just what to know before I buy one. I know it is a dumb question. But it is a lot of money and I dont want to have to do it again, or have to fix it. And were is the best place to get one?
I went with the Strange over the Moser due to the torque arm mounting design. The Strange uses two long through bolts just like the factory 10-bolt to hold the torque arm in place on the rear. The Moser uses 4 smaller bolts that go in to threaded holes (two top, two bottom)...they tend to back out of the holes, and will often take a torque arm with them (and possibly your driveshaft) if they do. Nothing that preventative maintenance couldn't help, but still...I didn't like the design.
Unfortunately, Strange rears are known to leak and be noisy, so you kinda pay a price one way or the other. I took the noisy/leaky route because IMO, that can be fixed with the proper gear setup and attention to the seals. Strange also requires you to send in your brake backing plates at the very least (and your axles if you are doing a 4-channel setup to get the reluctor rings off of them), so you will have some downtime associated with them. Moser just sends theirs without those things pressed on, and it is up to the end user to disassemble your rear to get the backing plates and reluctor rings and have them pressed on to the 12-bolt.
Either way, it is a lot of money, and honestly, I think you are getting jacked by both companies. For that much money, these things should not have gear noise/oil leak issues, and the Moser should use a different torque arm mounting scheme.
Unfortunately, Strange rears are known to leak and be noisy, so you kinda pay a price one way or the other. I took the noisy/leaky route because IMO, that can be fixed with the proper gear setup and attention to the seals. Strange also requires you to send in your brake backing plates at the very least (and your axles if you are doing a 4-channel setup to get the reluctor rings off of them), so you will have some downtime associated with them. Moser just sends theirs without those things pressed on, and it is up to the end user to disassemble your rear to get the backing plates and reluctor rings and have them pressed on to the 12-bolt.
Either way, it is a lot of money, and honestly, I think you are getting jacked by both companies. For that much money, these things should not have gear noise/oil leak issues, and the Moser should use a different torque arm mounting scheme.
i say the strange housing because of the torque arm mount like said above however when i get my new rear i plan on just ordering the housing, carrier, gears and axles from strange and just doing the setup on my own so i dont have to worry about them messin it up
Originally Posted by 94z28L
i say the strange housing because of the torque arm mount like said above however when i get my new rear i plan on just ordering the housing, carrier, gears and axles from strange and just doing the setup on my own so i dont have to worry about them messin it up
I'll give them two chances...the first chance is how they came straight from the factory. I haven't checked the pattern or the lash, but I'll assume it was right since I don't plan on adjusting them if they aren't. If they are noisy, I'll go through their customer complaint system and have them rebuild it on their dime by a local shop. That's number two. If that doesn't work, I'm getting a set of Mikronited gears, and I'll learn how to set up a damn rear end myself. It isn't rocket science...just take patience, and the right tools. And some
Oh yeah...another benefit for the Strange:
You can use (or re-use) bolt-on relocation brackets for the lower control arms. I don't know of anyone I can trust to weld on my car, so I keep it as simple as possible. I don't think you can use the bolt-on relocation brackets on the Moser 12-bolts...
You can use (or re-use) bolt-on relocation brackets for the lower control arms. I don't know of anyone I can trust to weld on my car, so I keep it as simple as possible. I don't think you can use the bolt-on relocation brackets on the Moser 12-bolts...
Originally Posted by 99zman
why can't you just buy new reluctor rings insted of going through all that trouble?
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I went with Strange also for the above reasons...I have no leaks, but the gears are a bit noisey...going to 4.10s anyway so I'm not too pissed...It was a pretty easy bolt in...and now they come with sway bar brackets welded on...
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Verdad Gallardo steve how much are the new rings? and all you have to do is ship them to strange? what seals leak in the strange 12 bolt? after just watching the vid of the 1-2 shift im really nervous about putting 4:10's in my 10 bolt now.
Originally Posted by 99zman
steve how much are the new rings? and all you have to do is ship them to strange? what seals leak in the strange 12 bolt? after just watching the vid of the 1-2 shift im really nervous about putting 4:10's in my 10 bolt now.
I'd go with the Moser 9 inch, which is a direct bolt in. Uses the two long OEM style torque arm bolts that stay tight. The nine inch won't howl after several high rpm clutch dumps like a 12 bolt will. Bob
Originally Posted by ele-blue95
Which is the better 12 bolt? Just what to know before I buy one. I know it is a dumb question. But it is a lot of money and I dont want to have to do it again, or have to fix it. And were is the best place to get one?
I'd go with Strange if you dont mind waiting a month or two. Mine leaked from the vent I believe when I got it. Just put some black slilcone in there and never had another problem.
