Gears & Axles Driveshafts | Rearends | Differentials | Gears | 12 Bolt | 9 Inch | Dana

Proper gear backlash

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-31-2007, 08:48 PM
  #1  
Restricted User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (18)
 
socmguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Fayetteville, NC
Posts: 1,515
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Proper gear backlash

I'm sorry if this has been brought up a zillion times but the search is down and I've read all the stickys. Here's my question. I have a 2000 Z28 M6 and am installing 4.10s. I've been told that the proper backlash is around 8-12 thousanths. I hear that people tighten the ring and pinion up just a little more for manual cars and drag racing. I know a tighter backlash will cause more heat but will it be safer for a manual? Anyone smarter than me, please reply!
Old 07-31-2007, 09:45 PM
  #2  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (22)
 
keliente's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Mooresville, NC
Posts: 2,929
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I like to set up my M6 on the tight side. So if the manufacturer for your gear says .008-.012, I would go with .008.
Old 07-31-2007, 11:29 PM
  #3  
Teching In
 
monzaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Backlash

Well I go buy GM and I do not know of any GM gear set to anything over ..010. We do Muscle car diffs GM 10 bolt 12 bolt etc. and set them to .005-.008 New. Now Richmond gears seem ro let there gears go to .010. I noticed the gear pattern on most Richmond gears do not come out well under tight backlash. I usually ahve to loosen the backlash so I can get a clean pattern. Motive and Yukon you can get tight and still get a clean pattern also. Just my experiences.

Jim
Old 08-01-2007, 04:11 PM
  #4  
Restricted User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (18)
 
socmguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Fayetteville, NC
Posts: 1,515
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The gears I bought are AAM. So I should set those at 8 thousanths?
Old 08-01-2007, 04:18 PM
  #5  
14 Second Truck Club
iTrader: (36)
 
mzoomora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Chicago, Il
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by socmguy
The gears I bought are AAM. So I should set those at 8 thousanths?
Probably more like 5 or 6.
Old 08-03-2007, 12:48 AM
  #6  
TECH Enthusiast
 
GOaT Cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 638
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

For hard drag race use, set them up at around .030 (yes, thirty), they will be noisey, but they will live.
Old 08-03-2007, 11:54 AM
  #7  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (3)
 
TT632's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Any dragstrip any time
Posts: 963
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Hi GOat Cheese,
Are these trans brake launches? Seems like the ring gear would see a huge impact load with a large clearance.
Old 08-03-2007, 02:18 PM
  #8  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
SS SLP2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: SILSBEE TX
Posts: 1,782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

before you begain to setup you need to know if the gear is 3 cut or 5 cut, I think the AAM is 3 cut, and I agree with Z200MORA if AAm, I would suggest .005 and set the pattern high, I set my AAM @ .005 and have no problem after 2 years, several trips at the STRIP, 1.60' in the 60 ft and a lot of street jumps
jusy my .02' , Johnny
Old 08-03-2007, 04:10 PM
  #9  
Launching!
iTrader: (11)
 
MikeSomething's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Old Bridge, NJ
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

5-10 thousandths...
Old 08-03-2007, 04:33 PM
  #10  
14 Second Truck Club
iTrader: (36)
 
mzoomora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Chicago, Il
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

AAM are 2 cut gears.
Old 08-03-2007, 08:11 PM
  #11  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
JimsWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Norwich, NY
Posts: 324
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I believe it depends on whether your using the old bearings or new also. I used my orginal bearings with 13k on them, with a new AAM 4.10 gears and set them to .005.
Old 08-03-2007, 08:34 PM
  #12  
TECH Fanatic
 
chicane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 1,124
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Above and beyond all else...

It is and has been a "rule of thumb" to use 0.001" for every inch of ring gear.

With that said, 7.5" would be 0.0075" or betwen 0.007 - 0.008"... unless specifically directed by the component manufacturer differently. But... remember, this is only a guide line. Even though the manufacturer says to use x.xxx" that itself is a guid line number as it does not take into account for housing irregularties.

I say set it up for 0.008" and and take a look at it. If it doesnt look like the way you want it... change it. Its that simple.
Old 08-03-2007, 11:02 PM
  #13  
TECH Enthusiast
 
GOaT Cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 638
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by TT632
Hi GOat Cheese,
Are these trans brake launches? Seems like the ring gear would see a huge impact load with a large clearance.
That was our M6 setup, but that huge backlash actually cushions the gear teeth from impact. That extra 90 wt. that has to squeeze out of that large gap acts as a shock absorber. I have had excellent results with the 7.625 rear ends hitting them with a ton of power and they seem to hold up beyond anyones expectations. But, be forewarned, they are VERY noisey if street driven.
Old 08-03-2007, 11:05 PM
  #14  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
SS SLP2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: SILSBEE TX
Posts: 1,782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

My mistake,MZOOMORA is correct, the AAM gear is 2 cut
try http://www.aam.com/file.php/255/axle+shaft+brochure.pdf and go to page # 41 for correct setup
Old 08-03-2007, 11:14 PM
  #15  
TECH Enthusiast
 
GOaT Cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 638
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

2 cut vs. 5 cut doesn't affect backlash a whole lot. You just need to read the gear pattern differently between the two.
Old 08-04-2007, 12:31 PM
  #16  
Restricted User
Thread Starter
iTrader: (18)
 
socmguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Fayetteville, NC
Posts: 1,515
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Thanks to everyone that helped out. I bought the master install kit and replaced all bearings and seals. Set backlash at .008 and checked it in 3 places on the ring and they were all the same. Good pattern right down the center of the teeth as well. Thanks again to everyone!



Quick Reply: Proper gear backlash



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:03 PM.