Got my car!!
03-06-2010, 10:48 PM
#21
Yeah I know a thing or two about ls1 cars. I have been a member here for almost 6 years.
And I know about h/c ls1 cars also, I built 3 of them. One of which I owned personally.
You are talking to me like I have no first hand knowledge here. I have driven both. I have owned both. This car will pull a stock 4th gen. No doubt in my mind what so ever.
When it comes to the L99 cars they are hit or miss. A lot of them have had problems with the factory tune staying in low octane mode after the dealers put 87 in them etc etc. The stock record for an L99 is all ready at 12.8 just FYI. But thats not what I am comparing it to either way.
What does a 550hp supercharged 50k plus caddy have to do with my camaro SS?
We can bench race all day I guess or add the numbers up however we want. I pretty much see this daily on camaro5. I still cant figure out why people try and say this car doesnt perform with the numbers it has shown all ready.
Maybe everyone wants a new 11 second car for 31k starting? Let me know when you find one.
And I know about h/c ls1 cars also, I built 3 of them. One of which I owned personally.
You are talking to me like I have no first hand knowledge here. I have driven both. I have owned both. This car will pull a stock 4th gen. No doubt in my mind what so ever.
When it comes to the L99 cars they are hit or miss. A lot of them have had problems with the factory tune staying in low octane mode after the dealers put 87 in them etc etc. The stock record for an L99 is all ready at 12.8 just FYI. But thats not what I am comparing it to either way.
What does a 550hp supercharged 50k plus caddy have to do with my camaro SS?
We can bench race all day I guess or add the numbers up however we want. I pretty much see this daily on camaro5. I still cant figure out why people try and say this car doesnt perform with the numbers it has shown all ready.
Maybe everyone wants a new 11 second car for 31k starting? Let me know when you find one.
03-06-2010, 11:17 PM
#22
will it pull a stock 4th gen or beat it by five cars in the 1/4?
best times ive seen claimed by stock 4th gen ls1 fbodies are 12.7 for an m6 and 12.9 for an a4. so lets see a 5th gen run a 12.2 stock . not going to happen. not a car ran this with mods and another car ran another time with mods. best stock times and so far it isnt that much faster.
its ok to be enthusiastic about your car but you should also be realistic.
best times ive seen claimed by stock 4th gen ls1 fbodies are 12.7 for an m6 and 12.9 for an a4. so lets see a 5th gen run a 12.2 stock . not going to happen. not a car ran this with mods and another car ran another time with mods. best stock times and so far it isnt that much faster.
its ok to be enthusiastic about your car but you should also be realistic.
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03-07-2010, 06:16 AM
#23
You would take the 5.0 that will likely only be a tenth or two faster at most looking at the numbers? Are you forgetting about power potential? NA the LS3 is very hard to beat. I will bend over and kiss your *** if that 5.0 motor can make 500 to the wheels cam only like the ls3 can. The small stock advantage that car MAY have will be gone very quickly when the mods start on the 6.2 IMO
03-07-2010, 08:22 AM
#24
LOL. There is a 200lb difference between a new camaro and an 03 cobra.
You are as fast as your pockets are deep. I was just making the point that the new camaro has more potential than the 5.0. And I didnt think you would prefer the looks over the camaro but I guess im wrong. Good for you.
Enjoy your 1995 camaro. I loved my 98.
You are as fast as your pockets are deep. I was just making the point that the new camaro has more potential than the 5.0. And I didnt think you would prefer the looks over the camaro but I guess im wrong. Good for you.
Enjoy your 1995 camaro. I loved my 98.
03-07-2010, 08:36 AM
#25
will it pull a stock 4th gen or beat it by five cars in the 1/4?
best times ive seen claimed by stock 4th gen ls1 fbodies are 12.7 for an m6 and 12.9 for an a4. so lets see a 5th gen run a 12.2 stock . not going to happen. not a car ran this with mods and another car ran another time with mods. best stock times and so far it isnt that much faster.
its ok to be enthusiastic about your car but you should also be realistic.
best times ive seen claimed by stock 4th gen ls1 fbodies are 12.7 for an m6 and 12.9 for an a4. so lets see a 5th gen run a 12.2 stock . not going to happen. not a car ran this with mods and another car ran another time with mods. best stock times and so far it isnt that much faster.
its ok to be enthusiastic about your car but you should also be realistic.
I think it would pull one by about 5 cars. I am being realistic. Thats just my opinion I suppose. I know I have very little experience with either car and I dont really know much about cars. So Im really not worth listening to
.I guess it really doesnt matter. I didnt come on here to argue with my fellow camaro brethren. Just wanted to say that I liked the car and that it is pretty quick.
03-07-2010, 10:28 AM
#26
I think it would pull one by about 5 cars. I am being realistic. Thats just my opinion I suppose. I know I have very little experience with either car and I dont really know much about cars. So Im really not worth listening to .
I guess it really doesnt matter. I didnt come on here to argue with my fellow camaro brethren. Just wanted to say that I liked the car and that it is pretty quick.
.I guess it really doesnt matter. I didnt come on here to argue with my fellow camaro brethren. Just wanted to say that I liked the car and that it is pretty quick.
but until things change stock times for 4th and 5th gens and neck and neck.
03-07-2010, 04:57 PM
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Id prefer that you didnt kiss my *** either way....Is it possible that maybe I just like the new stang more? Im not brand specific like alot of guys on this board. Like previously stated if I want potential ill pick up a Terminator Cobra for high teens, throw a few mods on and kick your 4000 pd. LS3's *** all day. Actually I probably wouldnt need any mods.
03-07-2010, 05:16 PM
#30
but here you go.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/12-second...an-12-9-a.html
since a 98 ran a 12.8 stock its fair to say 01-02 fbodies could run a tenth faster. your posts are more emotional than reality. give it up its not 5 tenths faster like you claim and you cant prove it.
03-07-2010, 05:38 PM
#32
Trap speed will show you what the car can run. That is why I am talking about it. The 5th gens have a 4-5mph trap advantage on average. And no I cant prove 5 tenths yet. The car hasnt run a 12.3 yet. But it could get close looking at the traps.
I was using the half second as an easy number to equate car lengths. I said a 5 car advantage not exactly 5 tenth faster. So far it looks to be about .3 tenths faster.
Will 3 tenths get you 5 cars at 110mph? It would be close.
I dont think it is neck and neck. But everyones opinion of neck and neck is different.
I was using the half second as an easy number to equate car lengths. I said a 5 car advantage not exactly 5 tenth faster. So far it looks to be about .3 tenths faster.
Will 3 tenths get you 5 cars at 110mph? It would be close.
I dont think it is neck and neck. But everyones opinion of neck and neck is different.
03-07-2010, 06:51 PM
#33
Trap speed will show you what the car can run. That is why I am talking about it. The 5th gens have a 4-5mph trap advantage on average. And no I cant prove 5 tenths yet. The car hasnt run a 12.3 yet. But it could get close looking at the traps.
I was using the half second as an easy number to equate car lengths. I said a 5 car advantage not exactly 5 tenth faster. So far it looks to be about .3 tenths faster.
Will 3 tenths get you 5 cars at 110mph? It would be close.
I dont think it is neck and neck. But everyones opinion of neck and neck is different.
I was using the half second as an easy number to equate car lengths. I said a 5 car advantage not exactly 5 tenth faster. So far it looks to be about .3 tenths faster.
Will 3 tenths get you 5 cars at 110mph? It would be close.
I dont think it is neck and neck. But everyones opinion of neck and neck is different.
thank you for admitting you cant prove this. was it really that hard to admit? i guess so. lol
again youre leaving out weight, suspension and traction which effect ETs.
03-07-2010, 07:39 PM
#34
Fresh from today. 12.58 @ 110.3
It was nhra stocker. The first guy to run a 12.6. He had a k&n filter the first time so most people crucified him for it. He went back and this time with the stock filter.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post1558955
Not too bad.
I think this deserves a new thread.
It was nhra stocker. The first guy to run a 12.6. He had a k&n filter the first time so most people crucified him for it. He went back and this time with the stock filter.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post1558955
Not too bad.
I think this deserves a new thread.
03-07-2010, 10:09 PM
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What are you people arguing about?
We know the LS3 Camaro is going to be slightly faster, as it should be with increased technology. Comparing "best runs" or "the quickest I've seen" times mean nothing, per se, and same with the mathematics of it. There is too much variation in these matters to make a precise determination as to how fast a car is compared to another.
Generally speaking, however, any respectable car magazine will tell you that an LS3 'camaro has a 0-60 time of 4.8ish, and an LS1 with the same driver (key here), eight years ago, would run a 0-60 of about 5.2.
On a side note, congrats on the purchase! I'm still waiting another two weeks or so for the snow to disperse...
...then it's 8 months of fun in the sun
We know the LS3 Camaro is going to be slightly faster, as it should be with increased technology. Comparing "best runs" or "the quickest I've seen" times mean nothing, per se, and same with the mathematics of it. There is too much variation in these matters to make a precise determination as to how fast a car is compared to another.
Generally speaking, however, any respectable car magazine will tell you that an LS3 'camaro has a 0-60 time of 4.8ish, and an LS1 with the same driver (key here), eight years ago, would run a 0-60 of about 5.2.
On a side note, congrats on the purchase! I'm still waiting another two weeks or so for the snow to disperse...
...then it's 8 months of fun in the sun
03-07-2010, 10:34 PM
#37
No arguments from me. Congrats on the new car!! I'm looking forward to some pics.
I'm quite certain your car is faster than my stock 2000 TA.
And I'm ok with that. Well, maybe a little jealous, but then I'll put the top down and that'll make me feel better.
I'm quite certain your car is faster than my stock 2000 TA.
And I'm ok with that. Well, maybe a little jealous, but then I'll put the top down and that'll make me feel better.
03-07-2010, 10:56 PM
#38
It's like LT1 vs. LS1 all over again, lol. The 5th gen is faster than a 4th gen by about the same amount as a 98 LS1 vs. a 97 LT1. Everyone here is gets so worked up no matter which side of the street you're on. I really love my 5th gen and also have a soft sport for the 4th gen, even the LT1. The great thing about evolution is that it breeds competition. There will always be someone out there faster. Despite it's weight (which gets over analyzed) and IRS, it responds well to mods and is pretty easy to make crazy fast just like the LS1's.
Ultra, yes it is an LS7 "style" clutch. It's like the LS2 clutch, plenty strong but loves to stink when pushed.
Ultra, yes it is an LS7 "style" clutch. It's like the LS2 clutch, plenty strong but loves to stink when pushed.
03-07-2010, 11:05 PM
#39
Fun times.
im still trying
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03-08-2010, 09:04 AM
#40
I can show you a 113.5 trap also. back to 4-5 mph again. And I thought we were talking averages? I have seen plenty of stock 4th gens trapping 105. 110 trap for the 5th gen is nothing special. Just check every video review ever done of the car. 110-111. Hell. Even the hennessy test video where he does a lazy launch, short shifts, and granny shifts the car at well before red line he pulls a 108 trap.
Fun times.
im still trying
Fun times.
im still trying
yes, keep giving best times and traps for 5th gens and just average times for 4th gens to support your argument.
youve failed so far to prove your 5 car difference but keep trying.