what is the best dry CAI for camaro LS3
06-10-2013, 03:10 AM
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JRE has tested and proven the 2x best performing cold air intakes for these cars are the CAI Inc and the ADM Race.
To get the best out of ANY of the cold air intakes for these cars that are NOT OTR like the New Era or Vararam, you need to get a washer bottle relocation kit including the smaller style washer bottle coupled with a ADM Air Scoop or JRE Air Scoop.
The ADM Race or CAI w/ Air Scoop has been known to make as much as 15-20rwhp PROVEN on the 5th gen SS, untuned.
To get the best out of ANY of the cold air intakes for these cars that are NOT OTR like the New Era or Vararam, you need to get a washer bottle relocation kit including the smaller style washer bottle coupled with a ADM Air Scoop or JRE Air Scoop.
The ADM Race or CAI w/ Air Scoop has been known to make as much as 15-20rwhp PROVEN on the 5th gen SS, untuned.
06-19-2013, 01:42 PM
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You could probably never get me to believe that. Even standing in front of a dyno. You dont gain that much even by completely removing the intake system in front of a 4 foot cooling fan!
06-23-2013, 11:16 PM
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07-06-2013, 04:15 PM
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JRE has tested and proven the 2x best performing cold air intakes for these cars are the CAI Inc and the ADM Race.
To get the best out of ANY of the cold air intakes for these cars that are NOT OTR like the New Era or Vararam, you need to get a washer bottle relocation kit including the smaller style washer bottle coupled with a ADM Air Scoop or JRE Air Scoop.
The ADM Race or CAI w/ Air Scoop has been known to make as much as 15-20rwhp PROVEN on the 5th gen SS, untuned.
To get the best out of ANY of the cold air intakes for these cars that are NOT OTR like the New Era or Vararam, you need to get a washer bottle relocation kit including the smaller style washer bottle coupled with a ADM Air Scoop or JRE Air Scoop.
The ADM Race or CAI w/ Air Scoop has been known to make as much as 15-20rwhp PROVEN on the 5th gen SS, untuned.
My personal favorite is ADM w/ scoop. Best fit/finish and looks of all of them and the MAF is inside the enclosed box. JMHO
10-29-2013, 08:06 AM
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I'd go with the New Era Performance Intake!
The New Era Performance “OTR” (Over The Radiator) air intake system is the most unique air induction system available for the 5th Gen Camaro SS. The concept derives from this fact: The best source of low temperature air is in front of the vehicle (especially when it is in motion). The OTR tilts the top of the radiator back about 2 inches, securing it with the mounting tabs affixed to the bottom of the filter housing.
When compared against other performance air intakes in a recent outside test, the New Era OTR was proven to provide the lowest intake air temperature to the engine. Lower intake air temperature results in more power! Also, the system’s shorter, more direct, 4” charge duct allows for a great improvement in throttle response. To prevent filter blockage such as bugs and dirt, a shield is installed in front of the filter, attaching to the factory radiator mounting bolt holes. This also helps prevent water from reaching the filter in heavy rain.
On our completely stock 2010 Camaro SS (automatic) from simply bolting on the New Era OTR air intake system, we gained 22rwhp and 24lb/ft rwtq. With the addition of a custom PCM tune on this particular car, we were able to gain an additional 8rwhp and 4lb/ft rwtq for an overall gain of 30rwhp and 28lb/ft rwtq!
The New Era Performance “OTR” (Over The Radiator) air intake system is the most unique air induction system available for the 5th Gen Camaro SS. The concept derives from this fact: The best source of low temperature air is in front of the vehicle (especially when it is in motion). The OTR tilts the top of the radiator back about 2 inches, securing it with the mounting tabs affixed to the bottom of the filter housing.
When compared against other performance air intakes in a recent outside test, the New Era OTR was proven to provide the lowest intake air temperature to the engine. Lower intake air temperature results in more power! Also, the system’s shorter, more direct, 4” charge duct allows for a great improvement in throttle response. To prevent filter blockage such as bugs and dirt, a shield is installed in front of the filter, attaching to the factory radiator mounting bolt holes. This also helps prevent water from reaching the filter in heavy rain.
On our completely stock 2010 Camaro SS (automatic) from simply bolting on the New Era OTR air intake system, we gained 22rwhp and 24lb/ft rwtq. With the addition of a custom PCM tune on this particular car, we were able to gain an additional 8rwhp and 4lb/ft rwtq for an overall gain of 30rwhp and 28lb/ft rwtq!
10-31-2013, 06:18 AM
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New Era has one, but the over the radiator design isn't that much better according to some of the independent tests I've seen. I mean it's not like the "passive" Roto-Fab is killing my numbers.
Let me guess. "Shop A" that got a box of intakes and proceeded to dyno them all back-to-back with the hood up and a blower fan blowing 20mph air at the front of the car? That's hardly a real world comparison.
The way I see it is that there are 2 styles of CAI kits out there. You have the cookie cutter kits for $200-$400 that simply replicate the stock setup and eliminate the resonator tubes and seal better than stock. Then you have the OTR kits that get a straight shot of air drawing from the high pressure area over the radiator. Vararam and New Era kits take advantage of this. The next time you are at a dragstrip take a picture of all of the drag cars that have their hood scoops at a 90 degree bend to the right of the engine. I doubt you'll find any.
Most CAI kits built today will provide more than enough air to feed a stock LS3 engine while it is static on a set of rollers. Eliminating the resonator tubes makes a nice gain in power. That is why you see ample gains on just about all of them on a dyno. You also have a increase in engine sound, which makes it seem like the engine is really responding. Win-win situation.
Going down a dragstrip is a whole new ballgame though. Stick your hand out the window going 80mph and tell me how strong the air pressure is. You want to take advantage of that by positioning your air inlet directly in that path. The dyno won't show that at all.
I know that a lot of you guys may never take your cars down the track. I also know that some of you guys are more concerned with aesthetics than maximum performance gains. For those guys, just about any CAI kit will do. They will all make SOME gains, and some of the kits are rather cheap, and look much better than stock. But for MAXIMUM performance, you gotta pay to play. OTR is the way to go.
Here's a clip of one of the fastest N/A stock shortblock Camaro's:
10.84 at 126.77, rocking with a New Era OTR kit.
10-31-2013, 12:39 PM
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[QUOTE=joelster;17790120]Stick your hand out the window going 80mph and tell me how strong the air pressure is. You want to take advantage of that by positioning your air inlet directly in that path. The dyno won't show that at all.
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Stick your hand over a 300-400 cubic inch engine's throttle body when it's turning over 3000rpm and tell me how strong the vacuum is
More then any otr intake is going to produce in pressure, certainly... as a 362 CI engine is sucking 90,500 cubic inches of air at 6000rpm.
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Stick your hand over a 300-400 cubic inch engine's throttle body when it's turning over 3000rpm and tell me how strong the vacuum is
More then any otr intake is going to produce in pressure, certainly... as a 362 CI engine is sucking 90,500 cubic inches of air at 6000rpm.
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10-31-2013, 07:29 PM
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[QUOTE=DietCoke;17790862][QUOTE=joelster;17790120]Stick your hand out the window going 80mph and tell me how strong the air pressure is. You want to take advantage of that by positioning your air inlet directly in that path. The dyno won't show that at all.
Stick your hand over a 300-400 cubic inch engine's throttle body when it's turning over 3000rpm and tell me how strong the vacuum is
More then any otr intake is going to produce in pressure, certainly... as a 362 CI engine is sucking 90,500 cubic feet of air every second at 6000rpm. 90,500 cubic feet of air per second? You sure about that, LMAO! That might be what a Pratt and Whitney jet can move. The biggest carbs are the Holley Dominator style. They can move roughly 1150 cfm, that is cubic feet or air per MINUTE. Yet your incredible 362 cube LS engine can move 80 times that volume in one second. That is incredible. Time to take the blue pill and join the rest of us. Do the simple air/fuel ratio of 90,500 cubic feet of air at 13-1, and tell me how much fuel that amazing LS engine will burn in one second. Probably burn through the 16 gallon tank in a few seconds.
You missed my point entirely. I never said that the air will cram itself into an engine, whether or not the engine wants it or not. I said that the air will be in a high pressure area where the OTR style intakes draw their air from.
Stick your hand over a 300-400 cubic inch engine's throttle body when it's turning over 3000rpm and tell me how strong the vacuum is
More then any otr intake is going to produce in pressure, certainly... as a 362 CI engine is sucking 90,500 cubic feet of air every second at 6000rpm.
You missed my point entirely. I never said that the air will cram itself into an engine, whether or not the engine wants it or not. I said that the air will be in a high pressure area where the OTR style intakes draw their air from.
11-01-2013, 10:25 AM
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That math was supposed to say cubic inches, I don't know why I said cubic feet.
95,000 cubic inches is roughly 628 CFM.
I just don't believe there is merit in the "high pressure area" of the OTRs, as designed.
95,000 cubic inches is roughly 628 CFM.
I just don't believe there is merit in the "high pressure area" of the OTRs, as designed.
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11-01-2013, 11:49 AM
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I've had 3 air intakes, R2C, CAI, and now a New Era OTR.
In my experience they all help. I went with the CAI because it was nicer. I went to the New Era OTR seeing if I could find a little more power. I think it helps in the mid-range.
In my experience they all help. I went with the CAI because it was nicer. I went to the New Era OTR seeing if I could find a little more power. I think it helps in the mid-range.
