camaro with 5.3 what the *&^%$
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From: Barto PA
400rwhp should be right for a 09-10 camaro(that and my last camaro had that). The mustangs should be pushing that by that time anyway.
Ill get a low end V8 if it costs less and add heads and cam for probably less then the high end model and probably lighter. Just hope they have optional T-tops.....<3 t-tops
Ill get a low end V8 if it costs less and add heads and cam for probably less then the high end model and probably lighter. Just hope they have optional T-tops.....<3 t-tops
Originally Posted by Pontiacdreamin
GM is not Ford, they dont grossly underpower their cars.
320 horsepower for a car is a lot for a vehicle that is supposed to be priced ~25k, and 350 is also a lot of power. That's 20 and 50 hp more than the Mustang and the Charger has 340 hp.
The GTO has 400 and costs over $33k.
Imagine GM trying to sell a car to a 20 year old that has 400 hp that costs only $25k. Insurance companies would put the Camaro to the grave.
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Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
That's 20 and 50 hp more than the Mustang and the Charger has 340 hp.
Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
The GTO has 400 and costs over $33k.
Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
Imagine GM trying to sell a car to a 20 year old that has 400 hp that costs only $25k. Insurance companies would put the Camaro to the grave.
Insurance is nuts on cars with over 300 hp. I bought my car when I was 20, only when I hit 24 was my car payment less than my car. $297 for car $301-$305 for insurance. It dropped to $163 when it hit 7 years old. Imagine how many accidents are going to happen when 18-21 year old kids start racing them around.
Isn't the LS1 Corvette and the Ls1 Firebird tied as far as being the mostly likely to die at 4.3 and the LS1 Camaro taking in third at 4.1 (per thousand I believe)?
"The US Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, based on many years of study, reckons the most dangerous cars in the US are the Camaro, the Corvette, the Firebird and the Mustang, with the Corvette worst of all. However, this is explained as being due to the sort of driver they attract, rather than any quality or flaw of the vehicle itself."
I mean first time buyers with little to no driving experience; nothing wrong with the car, and nothing wrong with the people. Just a lack of experience coupled with a car that can hit 162-172 mph (F-Body and Corvette respectively).
You have a car that is fast and a person who wants to go fast is going to buy it. When you go fast you have a higher chance of getting into a fatal accident. Again its not the car, other cars just don't go as fast as the F-Body and Corvette and are still affordable to buy by a young first time buying driver.
There isn't anything wrong with a 320-350 hp car, it's way ahead of the competition as far as price and vehicle weight is concerned. It just seems more likely to start a bit lower then build up as the years go on. 400 hp starting wouldn't give it anywhere to grow to make it more appealing to additional buyers after the first wave is over.
Isn't the LS1 Corvette and the Ls1 Firebird tied as far as being the mostly likely to die at 4.3 and the LS1 Camaro taking in third at 4.1 (per thousand I believe)?
"The US Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, based on many years of study, reckons the most dangerous cars in the US are the Camaro, the Corvette, the Firebird and the Mustang, with the Corvette worst of all. However, this is explained as being due to the sort of driver they attract, rather than any quality or flaw of the vehicle itself."
I mean first time buyers with little to no driving experience; nothing wrong with the car, and nothing wrong with the people. Just a lack of experience coupled with a car that can hit 162-172 mph (F-Body and Corvette respectively).
You have a car that is fast and a person who wants to go fast is going to buy it. When you go fast you have a higher chance of getting into a fatal accident. Again its not the car, other cars just don't go as fast as the F-Body and Corvette and are still affordable to buy by a young first time buying driver.
There isn't anything wrong with a 320-350 hp car, it's way ahead of the competition as far as price and vehicle weight is concerned. It just seems more likely to start a bit lower then build up as the years go on. 400 hp starting wouldn't give it anywhere to grow to make it more appealing to additional buyers after the first wave is over.
I think it would be cool if taking a driving school that is a bit more specific than DD that is more suited to the specific class or type of vehicle you drive would be cool if it dropped your insurance rates. Say $200-$500, depending on course intensity, for the school and you have 1/2 of that amount cut of off your insurance ever 6 months.
Of course one speeding ticket and that savings and option is cut off. Of yeah, and you can still clear one ticket every 6 months though with DD. That would be a cool idea, less ricer/motorhead type driving that way.
Of course one speeding ticket and that savings and option is cut off. Of yeah, and you can still clear one ticket every 6 months though with DD. That would be a cool idea, less ricer/motorhead type driving that way.
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The new 5.3L puts out more power than you think and the heads are great. The only place you could tell was on the top end. It is completely AL like the LS1 and is actually from a better block than the LS1. They used a LS6 block and the only change was the bore. Everything else is exactly the same. Put a different cam in it and it would have the same HP as the older LS1 with more fuel econ. It is only a 20 cube difference from what we are used to. For a base engine that would rock. If that was the Z28 it wouldn't be that bad especially if they rigged displacement on demand on that sucker.
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From: Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
Originally Posted by TransAm52804
Basically I'm saying that seeing as how every new car coming out is far overweight, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 5th Gens be fatasses either. Granted, much of it is due to stricter safety regulations, but also because people are wanting all this electronic entertainment and luxury BS installed from the factory.
Christ, the new Cobras weigh over 4000 lbs, the GT's weigh 3600+ lbs, the GTO weighs 3800 lbs, and the upcoming Challenger is said to weigh over 4000 lbs. WTF is this crap. I remember when people used to bitch about 4th Gens being overweight... Hell they only weigh 3400-3500 lbs. Nowadays that'd be considered a lightweight.
It's sad honestly. Cars will be needing 400+ HP just to run the same times as the 350 HP LS1. An obvious example/s is the GTO (400 HP) and Charger SRT8 (425 HP): both those cars run high 12's/low 13's which is exactly what a stock, much-less-powerful LS1 runs. And on top of needing more power to run the same times, the bulky weight will be felt in the handling too. It sucks.
Christ, the new Cobras weigh over 4000 lbs, the GT's weigh 3600+ lbs, the GTO weighs 3800 lbs, and the upcoming Challenger is said to weigh over 4000 lbs. WTF is this crap. I remember when people used to bitch about 4th Gens being overweight... Hell they only weigh 3400-3500 lbs. Nowadays that'd be considered a lightweight.
It's sad honestly. Cars will be needing 400+ HP just to run the same times as the 350 HP LS1. An obvious example/s is the GTO (400 HP) and Charger SRT8 (425 HP): both those cars run high 12's/low 13's which is exactly what a stock, much-less-powerful LS1 runs. And on top of needing more power to run the same times, the bulky weight will be felt in the handling too. It sucks.
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From: Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
Insurance is nuts on cars with over 300 hp. I bought my car when I was 20, only when I hit 24 was my car payment less than my car. $297 for car $301-$305 for insurance. It dropped to $163 when it hit 7 years old. Imagine how many accidents are going to happen when 18-21 year old kids start racing them around.
Isn't the LS1 Corvette and the Ls1 Firebird tied as far as being the mostly likely to die at 4.3 and the LS1 Camaro taking in third at 4.1 (per thousand I believe)?
"The US Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, based on many years of study, reckons the most dangerous cars in the US are the Camaro, the Corvette, the Firebird and the Mustang, with the Corvette worst of all. However, this is explained as being due to the sort of driver they attract, rather than any quality or flaw of the vehicle itself."
I mean first time buyers with little to no driving experience; nothing wrong with the car, and nothing wrong with the people. Just a lack of experience coupled with a car that can hit 162-172 mph (F-Body and Corvette respectively).
You have a car that is fast and a person who wants to go fast is going to buy it. When you go fast you have a higher chance of getting into a fatal accident. Again its not the car, other cars just don't go as fast as the F-Body and Corvette and are still affordable to buy by a young first time buying driver.
There isn't anything wrong with a 320-350 hp car, it's way ahead of the competition as far as price and vehicle weight is concerned. It just seems more likely to start a bit lower then build up as the years go on. 400 hp starting wouldn't give it anywhere to grow to make it more appealing to additional buyers after the first wave is over.
Isn't the LS1 Corvette and the Ls1 Firebird tied as far as being the mostly likely to die at 4.3 and the LS1 Camaro taking in third at 4.1 (per thousand I believe)?
"The US Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, based on many years of study, reckons the most dangerous cars in the US are the Camaro, the Corvette, the Firebird and the Mustang, with the Corvette worst of all. However, this is explained as being due to the sort of driver they attract, rather than any quality or flaw of the vehicle itself."
I mean first time buyers with little to no driving experience; nothing wrong with the car, and nothing wrong with the people. Just a lack of experience coupled with a car that can hit 162-172 mph (F-Body and Corvette respectively).
You have a car that is fast and a person who wants to go fast is going to buy it. When you go fast you have a higher chance of getting into a fatal accident. Again its not the car, other cars just don't go as fast as the F-Body and Corvette and are still affordable to buy by a young first time buying driver.
There isn't anything wrong with a 320-350 hp car, it's way ahead of the competition as far as price and vehicle weight is concerned. It just seems more likely to start a bit lower then build up as the years go on. 400 hp starting wouldn't give it anywhere to grow to make it more appealing to additional buyers after the first wave is over.
Well, we can blame Ford for half of that. If they didn't fu$% up on the Pinto then Ralph wouldn't have gone overboard on the consumer protection theme. Airbags, ABS, Traction control, crush zones, lapbelts, dual side mirrors... you can blame all of that on Ford. Some cars now have 8 yes 8 airbags! That would be a killer to fix if you got into a fender bender.
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From: Auburn/Phenix City Alabama
Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
Well, we can blame Ford for half of that. If they didn't fu$% up on the Pinto then Ralph wouldn't have gone overboard on the consumer protection theme. Airbags, ABS, Traction control, crush zones, lapbelts, dual side mirrors... you can blame all of that on Ford. Some cars now have 8 yes 8 airbags! That would be a killer to fix if you got into a fender bender.
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This was my truck 8 months ago.........Damn FORD
And to think I walked away with only a tore shoulder. Thank GOD I know who to blame 
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why are you people talking about all kinds of different engines? you need to think from a 2009 perspective rather than a 2006 perspective. the corvette will probably have a newer and more powerful engine BY 2009 so the LS7 actually is a big possibility for the new camaro.
Originally Posted by WECIV
I do believe that driving schools should be offered with these types of cars...
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In Germany, they won't let you on the Autobahn without special courses. We should do that here. It would prevent even more wrecks by having graduated scales of courses. More for sports cars, less for ecomony cars.
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[QUOTE=Josh2006]that would be awsome this would be running with the mustang GTs 
uhhh, what planet are you from? I have a basicly stock '98 Z (LS1) I have beat 20 stock GT's at the track, anywhere from 1999-2006, they only run 14.5, my Z does 13.9 on stock wheels & tires. I have made a couple 2002(ish) Cobras look pretty silly around town also.
uhhh, what planet are you from? I have a basicly stock '98 Z (LS1) I have beat 20 stock GT's at the track, anywhere from 1999-2006, they only run 14.5, my Z does 13.9 on stock wheels & tires. I have made a couple 2002(ish) Cobras look pretty silly around town also.
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From: Auburn/Phenix City Alabama
[QUOTE=1998Z28LOADED] He's probably from EARTH, If you would read his post he said" The New V-6's would be running with the GT's" hint hint... get it now 
Originally Posted by Josh2006
that would be awsome this would be running with the mustang GTs
uhhh, what planet are you from? I have a basicly stock '98 Z (LS1) I have beat 20 stock GT's at the track, anywhere from 1999-2006, they only run 14.5, my Z does 13.9 on stock wheels & tires. I have made a couple 2002(ish) Cobras look pretty silly around town also.
uhhh, what planet are you from? I have a basicly stock '98 Z (LS1) I have beat 20 stock GT's at the track, anywhere from 1999-2006, they only run 14.5, my Z does 13.9 on stock wheels & tires. I have made a couple 2002(ish) Cobras look pretty silly around town also.
He's probably from EARTH, If you would read his post he said" The New V-6's would be running with the GT's" hint hint... get it now Teching In
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From: Auburn/Phenix City Alabama
[QUOTE=1998Z28LOADED] Theirs a little quote button on the bottom rite of a post if you want to quote something......If ya wanted to know 
Originally Posted by Josh2006
that would be awsome this would be running with the mustang GTs
uhhh, what planet are you from? I have a basicly stock '98 Z (LS1) I have beat 20 stock GT's at the track, anywhere from 1999-2006, they only run 14.5, my Z does 13.9 on stock wheels & tires. I have made a couple 2002(ish) Cobras look pretty silly around town also.
uhhh, what planet are you from? I have a basicly stock '98 Z (LS1) I have beat 20 stock GT's at the track, anywhere from 1999-2006, they only run 14.5, my Z does 13.9 on stock wheels & tires. I have made a couple 2002(ish) Cobras look pretty silly around town also.