Comaro VS Challenger
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Comaro VS Challenger Ok first off please for give my spelling I'm posting from my cell phone.
I think or should I say hope the Comaro is the better buy between the 2. The reason why is last I heard the Challenger is on the Chargers frame. If that's the case the car will be 4000 to 4100ibs. with a 425hp motor. Basically a 13 second car.. But from my experience trust me when I say get real mod ideas out of your head. There is a bigger aftermaket for the 5.7 Hemi than the 6.1 Hemi. And I don't think that the release of the Challenger will speed p the process at all. I have a buddy wit a SRT 8 charger with a Paxton blower on it and it puts down good power 575rwhp to be exact. And its capable of more but there is no tuning available. I want the F body because there should be a huge aftermaket for the car and it shouldn't take long. Just my opinion on the 2 that's all.
I think or should I say hope the Comaro is the better buy between the 2. The reason why is last I heard the Challenger is on the Chargers frame. If that's the case the car will be 4000 to 4100ibs. with a 425hp motor. Basically a 13 second car.. But from my experience trust me when I say get real mod ideas out of your head. There is a bigger aftermaket for the 5.7 Hemi than the 6.1 Hemi. And I don't think that the release of the Challenger will speed p the process at all. I have a buddy wit a SRT 8 charger with a Paxton blower on it and it puts down good power 575rwhp to be exact. And its capable of more but there is no tuning available. I want the F body because there should be a huge aftermaket for the car and it shouldn't take long. Just my opinion on the 2 that's all.
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First i seen the spy shots of the new Challenger and i have to say it looks like a rolling brick with 20'' wheels off a Ram.
Second the aftermarket already has a heads-up on the aftermarket and Dodge is going to have to play catch up.
Third 4000 lbs is heavy.
Second the aftermarket already has a heads-up on the aftermarket and Dodge is going to have to play catch up.
Third 4000 lbs is heavy.
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Originally Posted by The American
First i seen the spy shots of the new Challenger and i have to say it looks like a rolling brick with 20'' wheels off a Ram.
Second the aftermarket already has a heads-up on the aftermarket and Dodge is going to have to play catch up.
Third 4000 lbs is heavy.
Second the aftermarket already has a heads-up on the aftermarket and Dodge is going to have to play catch up.
Third 4000 lbs is heavy.
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Originally Posted by Heavy H.P.
After maket has heads up on the after market. I don't understand the statement. I agree 4000lbs is heavy as hell. But the SRT LX body cars are tha heavy and they run what the stock LS1's ran. (Hope I don't start a war with that statement) I'm just saying the aftermaket is no where as big as the LSX aftermaket.
To be fair at least Dodge is trying to compete. Ford still thinks a 4.6 is formidable.
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In that case yeah I can say I agree. I was just tryin to show that u can run the ET with the weight. If the Camaro is 4000lbs which I don't think it will. It is still possible for the car to perform. I still want one it won't change unless they screw up the the motor.
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Yes, weight can be overcome by power. Hell, I was considering the GTO because of huge aftermarket. Traction problems turned me off to the GTO, as I hope the camaro will have addressed that issue. My thing is, you have two cars in the same power range with lets say 4000 lbs, im going to have to chose the car with the biggest aftermarket support and of course the one that appeals to my eyes.
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Good point! I totally agree that's why the Camaro is my first choice. I expect a huge after market. But I just been wantin a LS1 sine the damm thing came out. So I don't think nothin else can make me happy. lol
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Personally, I think both cars will be bad ***. I know more about Dodge than I do GM (this Camaro is my first GM product), so I wanted to mention that upfront.
Dodge has more than the 6.1 in development. They have a 6.4L Hemi that pushes 500 hp that is being hinted as a production based motor. In its current crate engine form, it doesn't meet emissions standard. BUT, it can be done. I'm not saying they are going to put that in the Challenger, but regardless of where your loyalties reside, 500 hp N/A will make any car move.
I agree 100% about the aftermarket. It has less to do with "demand" from consumers - both GM and Mopar guys are very rabid. Rather, it deals with a manufacturer's propensity to embrace the aftermarket. GM does it, Dodge doesn't. GM and Ford both attempt to streamline technology so that it is easier for aftermarket companies to make products. They also do not impede the ingenuity of the aftermarket like Dodge does.
With that being said, stock vs stock, both the Camaro and Challenger will likely perform very similar. The difference will come in aftermarket parts and tuning options, which GM will win.
Dodge has more than the 6.1 in development. They have a 6.4L Hemi that pushes 500 hp that is being hinted as a production based motor. In its current crate engine form, it doesn't meet emissions standard. BUT, it can be done. I'm not saying they are going to put that in the Challenger, but regardless of where your loyalties reside, 500 hp N/A will make any car move.
I agree 100% about the aftermarket. It has less to do with "demand" from consumers - both GM and Mopar guys are very rabid. Rather, it deals with a manufacturer's propensity to embrace the aftermarket. GM does it, Dodge doesn't. GM and Ford both attempt to streamline technology so that it is easier for aftermarket companies to make products. They also do not impede the ingenuity of the aftermarket like Dodge does.
With that being said, stock vs stock, both the Camaro and Challenger will likely perform very similar. The difference will come in aftermarket parts and tuning options, which GM will win.
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Originally Posted by patricksd
Personally, I think both cars will be bad ***. I know more about Dodge than I do GM (this Camaro is my first GM product), so I wanted to mention that upfront.
Dodge has more than the 6.1 in development. They have a 6.4L Hemi that pushes 500 hp that is being hinted as a production based motor. In its current crate engine form, it doesn't meet emissions standard. BUT, it can be done. I'm not saying they are going to put that in the Challenger, but regardless of where your loyalties reside, 500 hp N/A will make any car move.
I agree 100% about the aftermarket. It has less to do with "demand" from consumers - both GM and Mopar guys are very rabid. Rather, it deals with a manufacturer's propensity to embrace the aftermarket. GM does it, Dodge doesn't. GM and Ford both attempt to streamline technology so that it is easier for aftermarket companies to make products. They also do not impede the ingenuity of the aftermarket like Dodge does.
With that being said, stock vs stock, both the Camaro and Challenger will likely perform very similar. The difference will come in aftermarket parts and tuning options, which GM will win.
Dodge has more than the 6.1 in development. They have a 6.4L Hemi that pushes 500 hp that is being hinted as a production based motor. In its current crate engine form, it doesn't meet emissions standard. BUT, it can be done. I'm not saying they are going to put that in the Challenger, but regardless of where your loyalties reside, 500 hp N/A will make any car move.
I agree 100% about the aftermarket. It has less to do with "demand" from consumers - both GM and Mopar guys are very rabid. Rather, it deals with a manufacturer's propensity to embrace the aftermarket. GM does it, Dodge doesn't. GM and Ford both attempt to streamline technology so that it is easier for aftermarket companies to make products. They also do not impede the ingenuity of the aftermarket like Dodge does.
With that being said, stock vs stock, both the Camaro and Challenger will likely perform very similar. The difference will come in aftermarket parts and tuning options, which GM will win.
Originally Posted by Wallywall
Price and warranty! Once the 6.1 becomes more affordable and abundant, sales will grow and so will the aftermarket.
Are the 5.7 and 6.1 "Hemi's" modular?
The Camaro should still blow them away.
Are the 5.7 and 6.1 "Hemi's" modular?
The Camaro should still blow them away.
Thats an understatement, Ive yet to be impressed by any spec hemi for regular use.
Originally Posted by Heavy H.P.
After maket has heads up on the after market. I don't understand the statement. I agree 4000lbs is heavy as hell. But the SRT LX body cars are tha heavy and they run what the stock LS1's ran. (Hope I don't start a war with that statement) I'm just saying the aftermaket is no where as big as the LSX aftermaket.
What does the GTO weigh? 3700#? I don't think we will see
some kind of super lightweight Camaro, especially if they plan
to keep the price point low enough to compete with Mustangs.
Although new Mustangs don't weigh as much as I would have
thought, so maybe I will be surprised...
