If Dodge can do it then why not Chevy ?
02-05-2008, 05:56 PM
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If Dodge can do it then why not Chevy ? There's all this talk of fuel regulations and considering going flex with the Camaro and at the same time there seems to be no isues over at Dodge with the new Challenger and the Fuel sucking Hemi's. What's the deal ? I understand they have the DoD or whatever Dodge calls it but the fuel mileage can't be more than the Camaro would get with a Ls3. At least I wouldn't think so. Any opinions as to why there's no issues with the Challenger yet the Camaro has them ?
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02-05-2008, 06:46 PM
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1.) The challenger is already into production (or atleast further than the Camaro)
2.) The Challenger is sharing its chassis with a few other cars, cutting the cost down, and the particular chassis is actually kinda old too.
3.)Its not that they have to get 35mpg, its that if they dont the company will be taxed X amount of money.
2.) The Challenger is sharing its chassis with a few other cars, cutting the cost down, and the particular chassis is actually kinda old too.
3.)Its not that they have to get 35mpg, its that if they dont the company will be taxed X amount of money.
02-05-2008, 07:30 PM
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The Challenger and Hemi (and the Camaro, for that matter) will be long gone by the time the 35mpg mandate comes into effect. I say why not throw out some gas guzzlin muscle before the end, but all those bleeding heart "ack, the earth is melting and we're running outta oil" asshats unfortunately control more than we realize.
02-05-2008, 08:15 PM
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The Challenger and Hemi (and the Camaro, for that matter) will be long gone by the time the 35mpg mandate comes into effect. I say why not throw out some gas guzzlin muscle before the end, but all those bleeding heart "ack, the earth is melting and we're running outta oil" asshats unfortunately control more than we realize.
02-07-2008, 12:34 PM
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1.) The challenger is already into production (or atleast further than the Camaro)
2.) The Challenger is sharing its chassis with a few other cars, cutting the cost down, and the particular chassis is actually kinda old too.
3.)Its not that they have to get 35mpg, its that if they dont the company will be taxed X amount of money.
2.) The Challenger is sharing its chassis with a few other cars, cutting the cost down, and the particular chassis is actually kinda old too.
3.)Its not that they have to get 35mpg, its that if they dont the company will be taxed X amount of money.
#2 The Challenger is only sharing its chassis with the 300 and Charger. On top of that, it is a partial-redesign of the LX platform, dubbed LY.
Camaro will be sharing its chassis with all the Holden cars, the rear-drive Chinese Buicks, the RWD Mid-east Chevies, and the two Pontiacs that we're getting and (crosses fingers) hopefully the two Buicks(Park Avenue and Riviera...seriously, they need them in the price range they are selling their cars at nowadays...) they've needed for ages, and the pleasepleasepleaseGMdon'tscrapitorIwillhateyoufore ver RWD Impala.
And, just for ***** sake, lets just say Pontiac makes another car on the platform later on, besides the G8 sedan and Ute. *cough*G8 coupe GTO*cough*
#3 Chrysler can't afford to frivolously hand out tax money like that nowadays...this isn't 1997.
02-07-2008, 10:26 PM
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Yep, Mopar finally got their act together on the Challenger. It will be in the dealerships late April/early May this year. The '08 version will be a SRT-8 model only with the 425HP Hemi.
Chevrolet is really missing the boat on not releasing this model earlier. With rising gas prices, insurance rates, the push to go green, and the economy, the Camaro may be too late to the party to survive. It may come out, but it will be a limited production car or sales could be very low.
Chevrolet is really missing the boat on not releasing this model earlier. With rising gas prices, insurance rates, the push to go green, and the economy, the Camaro may be too late to the party to survive. It may come out, but it will be a limited production car or sales could be very low.
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02-07-2008, 10:34 PM
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People on this forum can say "I'd rather have a well designed car, than one put out too soon"
Chevy doesn't even have a damn prototype done yet. They have the concept body, with the LS2, but then they decided to make changes (smoothed out rear end, Onstar *thingy*, other minor body changes).
Hell Chevy, Camaro production starts Oct/Nov '08, and you've been working on this car since at least '05, get the damn ball rolling!
02-07-2008, 11:11 PM
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Not true. Just recently I saw the convertible being driven around quite openly. Yeah, the rev limiter was at 3gran, and you couldn't go over 40, but hey. It works. 
This was on G4 Tech TV, too, so it's not like they don't have a working model.
This was on G4 Tech TV, too, so it's not like they don't have a working model.
02-07-2008, 11:46 PM
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Chevy doesn't even have a damn prototype done yet. They have the concept body, with the LS2, but then they decided to make changes (smoothed out rear end, Onstar *thingy*, other minor body changes).
Hell Chevy, Camaro production starts Oct/Nov '08, and you've been working on this car since at least '05, get the damn ball rolling!
Hell Chevy, Camaro production starts Oct/Nov '08, and you've been working on this car since at least '05, get the damn ball rolling!
There have been pictures all over the internet of multiple prototype cars.
They are in testing all over the world.
And they've only been working on the car since it was approved for production in August 2006.
Seeing as the Challenger is based on an existing chassis and uses a copied & pasted parts-bin interior from other Dodges.... well duh, no wonder it's out first.
The Camaro is based on a chassis that is all new from the ground up and is getting an near-entirely unique interior, so I'd say GM is working pretty fast on it considering the amount of extra work needed.
02-08-2008, 03:04 AM
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Seeing as the Challenger is based on an existing chassis and uses a copied & pasted parts-bin interior from other Dodges.... well duh, no wonder it's out first.
The Camaro is based on a chassis that is all new from the ground up and is getting an near-entirely unique interior, so I'd say GM is working pretty fast on it considering the amount of extra work needed.
The Camaro is based on a chassis that is all new from the ground up and is getting an near-entirely unique interior, so I'd say GM is working pretty fast on it considering the amount of extra work needed.
02-08-2008, 06:26 AM
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The Mustang was built almost the same way. New platform from the ground up, along with a part-bin interior. Stereo out of an F150? Check. Airconditioning units qued from a GT? Check. Same transmission from god knows when? Same motor from 1960? Check. So despite the ground-up chassis that it was built on, it was out within a year. 2004 to 2005, didn't miss a beat.
BTW the chassis is just a reworked jaguar s-type/lincoln ls chassis, so its technically not "brand new".
Ford planned on making a 2005 Mustang, GM didn't plan on making a 2005 Camaro, as simple as that.
02-08-2008, 09:03 AM
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Don't kid yourselves, all of these cars are cobbled together from what each manufacturer has to use. Even the Camaro which is being engineered by Holden out of an existing Holden chassis and parts.
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Dodge Challenger Drivetrains
(2009-up)
3.5L HO V6 (250HP)
4-speed auto
42RLE VLP 3.64 N N
17x7.0
Optional
18x7.5
P215/65R17
Optional
P235/55R18 ASP
P225/60R18
R/T
(2009-up) 5.7L V8 VCT (380HP)
(with MDS) 5-speed* auto 2.82 N N
(without MDS) 6-speed** manual 3.73 LS Y Y
18x7.5
Optional
20x8
P235/55R18 ASP
Optional
P245/45R20 ASP
SRT8
(2008-up) 6.1L V8 (425HP)
5-speed auto 3.06 LS N N
6-speed** manual 3.92 LS Y Y
20x9 P245/45ZR20 ASP
Optional
245/45ZR20
255/45ZR20
SRT8
(2009/2010-up) 6.4L V8 (540HP)
5-speed auto 3.06 LS N N
6-speed** manual 3.92 LS Y Y
20x9 P245/45ZR20 ASP
Optional
245/45ZR20
255/45ZR20
LS = Limited Slip. Trak Pak = marketing name for the transmission, shifter, and gearing. VCT = Variable Cam Timing
* W5A580 with AutoStick ** TREMEC six-speed manual
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02-08-2008, 09:43 PM
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If the prototype was as completed as you said it is, why wasn't it at the NAIAS in Detroit?
02-08-2008, 11:22 PM
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1.) The challenger is already into production (or atleast further than the Camaro)
2.) The Challenger is sharing its chassis with a few other cars, cutting the cost down, and the particular chassis is actually kinda old too.
3.)Its not that they have to get 35mpg, its that if they dont the company will be taxed X amount of money.
2.) The Challenger is sharing its chassis with a few other cars, cutting the cost down, and the particular chassis is actually kinda old too.
3.)Its not that they have to get 35mpg, its that if they dont the company will be taxed X amount of money.