A hint of whats to come...
A hint of whats to come... OT Notes
Well heres a story of a 1999 Camaro SS with an LS7 Powerplant in it. Its a basis on what the new 5th gen should be running with. Also, sorry if this is in the wrong forum section. I thought it might just contribute some time of idea of the 5th gen. Camaro.
Enjoy...
First Drive: Chevy Camaro Z06
Throwing Gears in a 505-hp Z06-Powered Chevy Camaro
This 1999 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro is no ordinary used car. It's a freaking street monster; a snarling, mean mother of a street racer that will chew you up and spit you out if you have the temerity to challenge it at a stoplight.
It's powered by a GM Performance Parts (GMPP) LS7 crate motor packing 505 (or more) horsepower, the same engine you'll find under the hood of a Z06 Corvette. In fact, GM Performance Parts built this car because it wants the world to know that the all-aluminum small-block V8 is for sale at any GM dealer's parts counter (or even online).
The other reason the motorheads at GMPP built this beast is because the coming '09 Camaro will probably have an SS edition available, which will be powered by this same engine right off the showroom floor.
The Doctor Is in the House
Dr. Jamie Meyer, the father of this flat-black brute, is the product integration manager at GM Performance Parts. We have no idea what a product integration manager is, except that Meyer is a reincarnated hot-rodder/muscle car street rat from the '60s who was reborn into today's corporate world, and gets to dream up and build all these really hot muscle machine packages out of GM Performance Parts. Is that a great job or what? You can tell Meyer is thoroughly enjoying himself.
The LS7 is part number 17802397 and will literally drop into the engine compartment of any 1982-2002 Camaro — or for that matter, any small-block-powered Camaro back to 1967. You can even use the same motor mounts.
Now this Camaro demonstrator packs mind-blowing power that dates back to the big-block 427 and 454 engines of Chevy's glorious past. It screams to a 7,200 rpm redline (patrolled by a rev limiter) and peels back your eyelids every time you nudge the throttle.
Because this car was going to be a test mule both for the GMPP engineers and a bunch of crazed auto journalists, Meyer decided to beef up the already impressive engine.
LS7 Plus
The GMPP engineers were able to keep the stock LS7 oil pan, but that meant they would have to accommodate for the LS7's dry-sump oiling system. The battery was placed in the trunk, and 2 inches were sectioned out of the stock oil tank. The new oil tank now resides in the position of the vacated battery. A BMR cradle, or K-member, was used to physically hold the LS7 in position with standard LS engine mounts.
In front the LS7 is dressed with a Z06 Corvette air-conditioning compressor and an ATI damper/balancer for clearance, and to adapt an F-body accessory drive. The stock 58x reluctor wheel remains. The Camaro's original stock LS1 350 air intake (with SS hood scoop) was retained with slight modifications to adapt it to the LS7 throttle body. The engineers used a custom GM Performance Parts wiring harness and their own custom calibrations for the prototype GMPP MEFI-4b controller.
Since GM crate motors arrive without an exhaust system, GMPP installed a set of Kook's long-tube headers. A 3-inch dual-exhaust system with low-restriction Magnaflow mufflers runs from the headers all the way back. Since the LS1 and LS7 weigh almost the same, major front-end suspension changes did not have to be performed. GMPP engineers added Koni struts and shocks, but that was just to replace the older units and improve handling. Much of the conversion work was performed by Thomson Automotive in Redford, Michigan.
Because this '99 Camaro was going to be flogged unmercifully at both drag strips and press events, the rest of the drivetrain had to be capable of handling the increase in power. A T-56 Tremec transmission with a Hurst shifter setup takes the power to a new Strange S-60 rear end, which is really the old Dana 60 unit, Strange having purchased the tooling from Dana. Various rear axle ratios have been tested all the way up to 4.56s. When we drove the car in the desert northeast of Los Angeles it was packing a 4.10 final drive.
Behind the Wheel
We climbed into the driver seat with Meyer riding shotgun. A few blasts around the deserted roads of Rosamond, California, quickly highlighted the fact that the 4.10 gears keep the revs up and any throttle tip-in at all gives you immediate and high-G throttle response. Floor it in any of the first four gears and you are instantaneously pinned into the seatback cushion. And there's no letup until your right foot lets up.
At one point, we stopped the car on a particularly deserted stretch of road. "Is it OK if we punch it hard off the line?" we asked Meyer.
"I couldn't care less what you do. Do whatever you want. If it breaks, we'll build another one," was Meyer's answer.
OK. With the go-ahead from the boss, we revved it to 4,000 rpm, then dropped the clutch hard. First gear was a spinning, smoking, fishtailing blast of sheer torque, which rendered the rear tires helpless and our eyelids pinned back into our skull. The tires continued to screech and spin as long as we held our foot to the floor. We estimate the 1st-gear burnout at 50 feet.
Finally managing to peel ourselves off the seatback, and with the revs bouncing off the limiter, we ripped back into 2nd gear. Our reward was 20 more feet of rubber and a hurtling rush ahead. At 6,000 rpm, we mashed 3rd and again got massive rubber as we ripped huge gaping holes in the atmosphere. Even 4th gear rendered a chirp from the rear tires.
By now, we were running out of room. The speedo was well over 100 and we could see a stop sign ahead. We quickly braked down hard to a stop.
"Holy crap!" we exclaimed. "What the freak was that? This should be a production car."
More To Come
"Stick around for the '09 Camaro launch," was Meyer's response, both of us grinning and trying to catch our breath. He said he'd already turned a 12.0 at 120 mph at the drag strip with this thing and that the new Camaro should do almost as well, despite weighing about 500 pounds more than this car.
Meanwhile, if you can't wait until '09 to go fast and you own any Camaro at all, our recent thrill of a driving experience is waiting for you, right now, in a crate, at any Chevy dealer parts counter. Or even online.
The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.
Pictures
GM says this Camaro has turned a 12.0 at 120 mph at the drag strip and the 2009 Camaro should do almost as well despite weighing about 500 pounds more than this car. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
This flat-black Camaro is powered by the same engine you'll find under the hood of a Z06 Corvette. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
With more than 500 hp, this Camaro packs mind-blowing power that dates back to the big-block 427 and 454 engines of Chevy's glorious past. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
A few blasts around the deserted roads of Rosamond, California, quickly highlighted the fact that the 4.10 gears keep the revs up and any throttle tip-in at all gives you immediate and high-G throttle response. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
Well heres a story of a 1999 Camaro SS with an LS7 Powerplant in it. Its a basis on what the new 5th gen should be running with. Also, sorry if this is in the wrong forum section. I thought it might just contribute some time of idea of the 5th gen. Camaro.
Enjoy...
First Drive: Chevy Camaro Z06
Throwing Gears in a 505-hp Z06-Powered Chevy Camaro
This 1999 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro is no ordinary used car. It's a freaking street monster; a snarling, mean mother of a street racer that will chew you up and spit you out if you have the temerity to challenge it at a stoplight.
It's powered by a GM Performance Parts (GMPP) LS7 crate motor packing 505 (or more) horsepower, the same engine you'll find under the hood of a Z06 Corvette. In fact, GM Performance Parts built this car because it wants the world to know that the all-aluminum small-block V8 is for sale at any GM dealer's parts counter (or even online).
The other reason the motorheads at GMPP built this beast is because the coming '09 Camaro will probably have an SS edition available, which will be powered by this same engine right off the showroom floor.
The Doctor Is in the House
Dr. Jamie Meyer, the father of this flat-black brute, is the product integration manager at GM Performance Parts. We have no idea what a product integration manager is, except that Meyer is a reincarnated hot-rodder/muscle car street rat from the '60s who was reborn into today's corporate world, and gets to dream up and build all these really hot muscle machine packages out of GM Performance Parts. Is that a great job or what? You can tell Meyer is thoroughly enjoying himself.
The LS7 is part number 17802397 and will literally drop into the engine compartment of any 1982-2002 Camaro — or for that matter, any small-block-powered Camaro back to 1967. You can even use the same motor mounts.
Now this Camaro demonstrator packs mind-blowing power that dates back to the big-block 427 and 454 engines of Chevy's glorious past. It screams to a 7,200 rpm redline (patrolled by a rev limiter) and peels back your eyelids every time you nudge the throttle.
Because this car was going to be a test mule both for the GMPP engineers and a bunch of crazed auto journalists, Meyer decided to beef up the already impressive engine.
LS7 Plus
The GMPP engineers were able to keep the stock LS7 oil pan, but that meant they would have to accommodate for the LS7's dry-sump oiling system. The battery was placed in the trunk, and 2 inches were sectioned out of the stock oil tank. The new oil tank now resides in the position of the vacated battery. A BMR cradle, or K-member, was used to physically hold the LS7 in position with standard LS engine mounts.
In front the LS7 is dressed with a Z06 Corvette air-conditioning compressor and an ATI damper/balancer for clearance, and to adapt an F-body accessory drive. The stock 58x reluctor wheel remains. The Camaro's original stock LS1 350 air intake (with SS hood scoop) was retained with slight modifications to adapt it to the LS7 throttle body. The engineers used a custom GM Performance Parts wiring harness and their own custom calibrations for the prototype GMPP MEFI-4b controller.
Since GM crate motors arrive without an exhaust system, GMPP installed a set of Kook's long-tube headers. A 3-inch dual-exhaust system with low-restriction Magnaflow mufflers runs from the headers all the way back. Since the LS1 and LS7 weigh almost the same, major front-end suspension changes did not have to be performed. GMPP engineers added Koni struts and shocks, but that was just to replace the older units and improve handling. Much of the conversion work was performed by Thomson Automotive in Redford, Michigan.
Because this '99 Camaro was going to be flogged unmercifully at both drag strips and press events, the rest of the drivetrain had to be capable of handling the increase in power. A T-56 Tremec transmission with a Hurst shifter setup takes the power to a new Strange S-60 rear end, which is really the old Dana 60 unit, Strange having purchased the tooling from Dana. Various rear axle ratios have been tested all the way up to 4.56s. When we drove the car in the desert northeast of Los Angeles it was packing a 4.10 final drive.
Behind the Wheel
We climbed into the driver seat with Meyer riding shotgun. A few blasts around the deserted roads of Rosamond, California, quickly highlighted the fact that the 4.10 gears keep the revs up and any throttle tip-in at all gives you immediate and high-G throttle response. Floor it in any of the first four gears and you are instantaneously pinned into the seatback cushion. And there's no letup until your right foot lets up.
At one point, we stopped the car on a particularly deserted stretch of road. "Is it OK if we punch it hard off the line?" we asked Meyer.
"I couldn't care less what you do. Do whatever you want. If it breaks, we'll build another one," was Meyer's answer.
OK. With the go-ahead from the boss, we revved it to 4,000 rpm, then dropped the clutch hard. First gear was a spinning, smoking, fishtailing blast of sheer torque, which rendered the rear tires helpless and our eyelids pinned back into our skull. The tires continued to screech and spin as long as we held our foot to the floor. We estimate the 1st-gear burnout at 50 feet.
Finally managing to peel ourselves off the seatback, and with the revs bouncing off the limiter, we ripped back into 2nd gear. Our reward was 20 more feet of rubber and a hurtling rush ahead. At 6,000 rpm, we mashed 3rd and again got massive rubber as we ripped huge gaping holes in the atmosphere. Even 4th gear rendered a chirp from the rear tires.
By now, we were running out of room. The speedo was well over 100 and we could see a stop sign ahead. We quickly braked down hard to a stop.
"Holy crap!" we exclaimed. "What the freak was that? This should be a production car."
More To Come
"Stick around for the '09 Camaro launch," was Meyer's response, both of us grinning and trying to catch our breath. He said he'd already turned a 12.0 at 120 mph at the drag strip with this thing and that the new Camaro should do almost as well, despite weighing about 500 pounds more than this car.
Meanwhile, if you can't wait until '09 to go fast and you own any Camaro at all, our recent thrill of a driving experience is waiting for you, right now, in a crate, at any Chevy dealer parts counter. Or even online.
The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.
Pictures
GM says this Camaro has turned a 12.0 at 120 mph at the drag strip and the 2009 Camaro should do almost as well despite weighing about 500 pounds more than this car. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
This flat-black Camaro is powered by the same engine you'll find under the hood of a Z06 Corvette. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
With more than 500 hp, this Camaro packs mind-blowing power that dates back to the big-block 427 and 454 engines of Chevy's glorious past. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
A few blasts around the deserted roads of Rosamond, California, quickly highlighted the fact that the 4.10 gears keep the revs up and any throttle tip-in at all gives you immediate and high-G throttle response. (Photo courtesy of General Motors Corporation)
On The Tree
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: Huntington Beach, CA
Wow the 5th gen is going to be a porker.
Anyway this is nothing like a 2010 Camaro. I doubt an LS7 will come in any Camaro. Second the 5th gen is going to have a completely different suspension with IRS and all that. Third, brembo brakes anyone? I predict a greater amount of agility for the 5th gen but this 4th gen seems to be more a drag car.
Anyway this is nothing like a 2010 Camaro. I doubt an LS7 will come in any Camaro. Second the 5th gen is going to have a completely different suspension with IRS and all that. Third, brembo brakes anyone? I predict a greater amount of agility for the 5th gen but this 4th gen seems to be more a drag car.
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Wow the 5th gen is going to be a porker.
Anyway this is nothing like a 2010 Camaro. I doubt an LS7 will come in any Camaro. Second the 5th gen is going to have a completely different suspension with IRS and all that. Third, brembo brakes anyone? I predict a greater amount of agility for the 5th gen but this 4th gen seems to be more a drag car.
Anyway this is nothing like a 2010 Camaro. I doubt an LS7 will come in any Camaro. Second the 5th gen is going to have a completely different suspension with IRS and all that. Third, brembo brakes anyone? I predict a greater amount of agility for the 5th gen but this 4th gen seems to be more a drag car.
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I don't think it'll be near 12.0 secs., which is why I'm so confused by them making that statement. The GTOs with 400hp and IRS at appx. 250 lbs lighter ran 13.2s in their tests.
Maybe they'll surprise us (I mean REALLY surprise us) with a 500 hp 3500 lb Camaro.
Maybe they'll surprise us (I mean REALLY surprise us) with a 500 hp 3500 lb Camaro.
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I think it sounds like a 12 second car, in the right hands. 12 flat might be a little strong.
It's great that anyone is doing this sort of stuff. I wish everyone that's posted prior to me would hang a dollar amount you would spend for one.
I guess this also answers the question I've seen reguarding. Should we keep or sell our old F's? I will be shocked if GM comes to the table with a FACTORY built 3500# 500 hp. Camaro. But there is nothing holding anyone back from buiulding one. Keep compression low so you can run pump gas and drive it on the street.
Jakes Dad
It's great that anyone is doing this sort of stuff. I wish everyone that's posted prior to me would hang a dollar amount you would spend for one.
I guess this also answers the question I've seen reguarding. Should we keep or sell our old F's? I will be shocked if GM comes to the table with a FACTORY built 3500# 500 hp. Camaro. But there is nothing holding anyone back from buiulding one. Keep compression low so you can run pump gas and drive it on the street.
Jakes Dad
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From: SW Florida
You also have to keep in mind they said 500# heavier than THAT camaro... which could weigh in significantly less than a stock 4th gen for all we know, I mean that much money stuck into that car you would think there was some weight reduction done to it also, so in reality that could mean they are saying the 5th gen could weigh somewhere in the 3,600-3,800 range which is very believable.
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Joined: Dec 2006
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From: Anderson, IN
I want the 'MACK DADDY' Camaro. Hopefully under $35k. AND HOPEFULLY it has something even more amazing than the LS3. That would make me 'oot' myself. I've never had a new car and I'm worried we might go back to the dark ages again. I'm going to get while the gettins good.
I have the down payment sitting in a savings account right now, believe it or not. And I hope everyone else on this board has a down payment ready, too. Been saving up since I saw it in Detroit of 06.
LSA would be very welcome.
I have the down payment sitting in a savings account right now, believe it or not. And I hope everyone else on this board has a down payment ready, too. Been saving up since I saw it in Detroit of 06.
LSA would be very welcome.
my friend goes to UTI heard that there not putting a ls7 in the new camaro..if i had to guess , it will have a ls8 and and hopefully a ls9 but we can only hope haha...the new 620hp ls9 in a 2010 camaro ss would be awsome