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2010 Camaro
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From: St.Charles MO
There is more to a car, then just simply, what it does in a straightline. It must suck to be so stubborn.
" The base LS may be powered by Chevy's 3.5-liter pushrod V-6 making about 220 bhp. The LT models would use the overhead-cam direct-injected 3.6-liter V-6 developing upward of 300 bhp, while the SS will be powered by a 6.2-liter LS3 V-8 (similar to that found in the Corvette) tuned to produce around 400–405 bhp"
Cuz you know GM will promote the 300hp V6 to sell the most. The 1 V8 option will be limited production & overpriced. Who wants to role around in a rice-sounding V6? Not most people on this site. They want a decent but not overpriced V8 that is attainable. Of course this is all speculation....lets hope so!
Cuz you know GM will promote the 300hp V6 to sell the most. The 1 V8 option will be limited production & overpriced. Who wants to role around in a rice-sounding V6? Not most people on this site. They want a decent but not overpriced V8 that is attainable. Of course this is all speculation....lets hope so!
Not to mention the cobra's pricing scheme and how you'll never find one for msrp.
Frankly i wouldn't care if gm did what you said except for the limited production and overpriced part, that is ford BS, GM doesn't do that bullshit, if they did their fan base would throw a fit and they would loose a lot of customers. Like I said as long as their is an ls3/near 4klbs curb/ resonable price(35k or lower) i really don't care if there is 50 models below it with dual turbos 4 bangers cause i ain't looking at those anyways.
So go back to your ford forums with your 300hp kid ponies and let us Men get ready for the real sports cars about to be released.
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You seem to be confusing GM with Ford, Ford is the one who throws out 300hp (bitch sized) v8's and puts them in the same pricing braquet as the camaro. And if that isn't enough then they throw someone's brand name on it, throw a set of shocks and springs on it and call it a collectors item and charge as much as a freaking vette.
sorry sir, you must be confusing the fact it took 4 more years of R and D for ford to get 305 FLYwheel horsepower, while ls1s put down 305 RWhp in 98...that's a losing argument....and if there's a price difference between mustang and camaro you sure as hell are no expert speculator
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From: Schiller Park, ILL Member: #317
Bitched sized? 4.6 300HP & LS1 320HP.........considering the the LS1 gets 1.1liters more to gain 20HP. Also, the same pricing bracket......HA! MSRP on a 09 GT will be at least 5,000 less than the base V8 camaros price.....you know this cuz thats what GM does! The mustang buried the camaros/birds in 2002...enough said. I do agree though as the mustang KR is rediculously overpriced. I wouldnt take any mustang over a vette.
LS1s made 350hp stock. That's why they've dynoed ~300rwhp on average since 1998. So it's 1.1L more to gain 50hp, and a lot more torque. Anyway, the HP per Liter arguement is ricer math. Power is power, and fact is that GM was making about 100hp more with a base LS1 Z28, priced within a couple hundered of a base Mustang GT, in 1998. And a 1998 Z28 will STILL hang with a brand new Mustang GT.
In 2002, a GT was not $5k less (base model for base model) than a Camaro. Check your facts. So why would it be now? There is no historical bases for your claim.
The last time that a stock Mustang GT was able to keep up with a stock Z28 was 1992. In 2002, a Mustang GT was a joke (performance wise) compared to a Z28, stock for stock.
Bitched sized? 4.6 300HP & LS1 320HP.........considering the the LS1 gets 1.1liters more to gain 20HP. Also, the same pricing bracket......HA! MSRP on a 09 GT will be at least 5,000 less than the base V8 camaros price.....you know this cuz thats what GM does! The mustang buried the camaros/birds in 2002...enough said. I do agree though as the mustang KR is rediculously overpriced. I wouldnt take any mustang over a vette.
Yeah bitch sized, I don't know of any other v8's that are smaller, do you?
As far as the 300HP debate, i think that's already been handled by some others here. As far as the gt being 5 grand less it should be, it shouldn't even be mentioned next to the camaro as the camaro has much more drivetrain, which is where it counts.
What would it take to get that gt up to running good (even on the road) so you don't get embarassed everytime you pull up next to a lsx based GM ride? you're gonna need a SC to get anywhere with that lame *** base 4.6 and lame 5-speed. (which is why sc's are soo popular on stangs) You get the new camaro for 5 grand more (which it will probably be a little less than that) and you get a under-rated ls3 with 400+ at the rear wheel. You throw in a mild cam and heads package straight from GMPP (warrenty intact) and a full exhaust and you're already around 500hp at the rear wheels.
And that setup could easily be a daily driving not much noticable from the stock setup, can you come anywhere close to saying that about the mustang after it's been charged? Hell No.
Face it current mustang/camaro ford/gm arguments are just a no contest on the ford side, I would know i used to be a mustang guy until they got rid of the 5.0 and started this gay *** trend they are still on now.
And what does the 4.6 do for em? gas milage? more torque? quicker throttle response?
Or save Ford money?
And what does that 5 speed? better gearing? more speed and low end torque?
Or save ford money?
You need to wake up and smell the roses.
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Wow you guys are sensitive. I was just painting the picture, in case yahoo is right. Have you ever heard a domestic V6 exhaust as compared to a V8 sound........there is no comparison. They all sound ricey. There is more to a car, then just simply, what it does in a straightline. It must suck to be so stubborn.
I don't think a single domestic six-cylinder I've ever heard has sounded "ricey"
Look, there are three classes of exhaust notes for domestic sixes:
1) (OHV) Quiet, turns a little harsh when pushed to high-rpms(ex. GM 3800, Ford Vulcan 3.0L)
2) (DOHC, SOHC) Quiet, Exotic sounding when pushed (ex. Duratec 2.5L, Chrysler 2.7L)
3) (OHV, OHC) noisy, rough sounding throughout rpm range (Ford 3.8L, GM 4.3L, Dodge 3.7L)
There is NO ricey sounding six that I know of, mostly because domestic companies don't make their engines using the same design philosophy as a lot of the import companies.
There is actually a funny story about the Ford Duratec 2.5L in SVT form...it has a Porsche-designed intake manifold, secondary butterflies and all!
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I'd appreciate it if assclowns like 000000whateverhisnameis were not used as posterboys for the typical Ford or Mustang owner. Thanks. Yea, Ford screwed us with small displacement. But trust me, some of us "bitchmotor 4.6" guys out here are doing just fine with what we drive. 
It's all about perspective folks. Just think if the Camaro had stayed in production, weighed 3500 lbs and was keeping its live axle......and the new Mustang was arriving next year with a 3700-3800 curb and an IRS. I can hear the pointing and giggling from the GM camp already.........."fat *** pig with a twin twig rear"
I have just as much interest in the upcoming Camaro as many here. For one, I know a couple of close friends who are looking to get into one.....secondly, I like to keep tabs on my potential competition.
If I had the money, I'd be adding an LS3 5th gen to my garage along with an SRT8 Challenger.......but alas, my money tree is just not taking root.
And I hate to break it to Mr 0000000.......but performance sixxers are gonna become more the rule than the exception as time goes on. GMs 3.6 and Ford's upcoming TT ecoboost 3.5 are a testament to that.
It's all about perspective folks. Just think if the Camaro had stayed in production, weighed 3500 lbs and was keeping its live axle......and the new Mustang was arriving next year with a 3700-3800 curb and an IRS. I can hear the pointing and giggling from the GM camp already.........."fat *** pig with a twin twig rear"
I have just as much interest in the upcoming Camaro as many here. For one, I know a couple of close friends who are looking to get into one.....secondly, I like to keep tabs on my potential competition.
If I had the money, I'd be adding an LS3 5th gen to my garage along with an SRT8 Challenger.......but alas, my money tree is just not taking root.And I hate to break it to Mr 0000000.......but performance sixxers are gonna become more the rule than the exception as time goes on. GMs 3.6 and Ford's upcoming TT ecoboost 3.5 are a testament to that.
I'd appreciate it if assclowns like 000000whateverhisnameis were not used as posterboys for the typical Ford or Mustang owner. Thanks. Yea, Ford screwed us with small displacement. But trust me, some of us "bitchmotor 4.6" guys out here are doing just fine with what we drive.
It's all about perspective folks. Just think if the Camaro had stayed in production, weighed 3500 lbs and was keeping its live axle......and the new Mustang was arriving next year with a 3700-3800 curb and an IRS. I can hear the pointing and giggling from the GM camp already.........."fat *** pig with a twin twig rear"
I have just as much interest in the upcoming Camaro as many here. For one, I know a couple of close friends who are looking to get into one.....secondly, I like to keep tabs on my potential competition. If I had the money, I'd be adding an LS3 5th gen to my garage along with an SRT8 Challenger.......but alas, my money tree is just not taking root.
And I hate to break it to Mr 0000000.......but performance sixxers are gonna become more the rule than the exception as time goes on. GMs 3.6 and Ford's upcoming TT ecoboost 3.5 are a testament to that.
It's all about perspective folks. Just think if the Camaro had stayed in production, weighed 3500 lbs and was keeping its live axle......and the new Mustang was arriving next year with a 3700-3800 curb and an IRS. I can hear the pointing and giggling from the GM camp already.........."fat *** pig with a twin twig rear"
I have just as much interest in the upcoming Camaro as many here. For one, I know a couple of close friends who are looking to get into one.....secondly, I like to keep tabs on my potential competition.
If I had the money, I'd be adding an LS3 5th gen to my garage along with an SRT8 Challenger.......but alas, my money tree is just not taking root.And I hate to break it to Mr 0000000.......but performance sixxers are gonna become more the rule than the exception as time goes on. GMs 3.6 and Ford's upcoming TT ecoboost 3.5 are a testament to that.
