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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
the cobalt ss dusted a c5 corvette automatic by 18 seconds.
At first I thought the BS flag was in order... but dang, that cobalt did some pretty impressive times. Very close to a Z06. Nothing I would be caught dead driving, but impressive times.

8:22.85 147.49 km/h -- Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 260 PS/1349 kg, company test driver John Heinricy

8:18 --- 149.92 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS

8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd157k
At first I thought the BS flag was in order... but dang, that cobalt did some pretty impressive times. Very close to a Z06. Nothing I would be caught dead driving, but impressive times.

8:22.85 147.49 km/h -- Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 260 PS/1349 kg, company test driver John Heinricy

8:18 --- 149.92 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS

8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic
You read wrong, that is not a Z06, its a Euro-only Z05.
Basically a Z51 C5 with Z06 suspension.
The C5 Z06 ran 7:56.
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Old Aug 10, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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All this is fine and dandy, but ny the time the F-ING dealers get done jacking the price up on z-28's and ss's if you pay it your gonna be in a whole nother territorry.It just makes me sick the way that works,i've been waiting for the new camaro sice I sold my old one, but then after seeing an srt8 challenger for 60 large at a STEALERSHIP, i'm gonna have to wait til 2012 to get a camaro at msrp just like the damn Z06'S when they came out.Sorry I needed to vent it just screws the little guy...Soooo in closing,Within the next two weeks I will be purchasing an 02-04 zo6, or an 05-06 z51 c6incase anyone has one for sale,oh and money in hand!Screw it I dont need the newest car on the block if my(hypothetically speaking)2003 ZO6 vette will smoke it by close to a second on either a road course or a drag strip bone stock!Add a cam, and your eating vipers and 91 turbosTrust me though, I agre that the new camaro is a beautiful car I would love to have, but out of principle I will not pay 1 dollar over MSRP, even though I can afford it.Can't wait to see what you guys who do buy them do to them mods wise!!!I'm sure with jsut a little work they can be monsters on the strip, as long as they make the stubs and half shafts in the rear much stronger than they did in the Gto!My o6 was ready to snap with just a can and 440 at the wheels,hope they dont make that mistake again
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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a bit disappointed myself.. lets ditch the back seats spare tire and a few other things and hope someone makes some kinda body kit to help with aerodynamics
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SS 4 ever
I know that but come on, We're comparing a Sport car vs Sedan car...Here's another comparison, The 2009 Camaro got 8.20 but look at the Nissan GTR R32 (1990-1992 can't remember) got 8:22, WoW GM did a great job by beating the GTR R32 by 2 seconds WoW WoW, This car is competing with cars that 19 years older...WOW Good job GM lol

GM should reduce the weight of this pig
yeah a 19 year old car that still handles with the best of em. when that car came out it ran circles around just about any car out there. not even the mighty vette could touch it. you guys see what you want to see. the fact that the car out handles a bmw m3 and some porsches says nothing to you? the m3 is an outstanding handling car and the camaro out does it yet you complain. with the way standards in safety the way they are u have to expect cars to get heavier and heavier. the cobalt is a little pig for its class as well tipping nearly 3000 lbs, where as cars like the acura RSX are at 2700lbs, so 200 lbs heavier for a car with relatively same dimensions. and those who knock the camaro for only being 2 seconds faster then a cobalt ss. go drive a cobalt ss and come back and try and say the same thing. cobalt ss handles bad ***, it easily out handles my 02 Z28.
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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vettesc806
All this is fine and dandy, but ny the time the F-ING dealers get done jacking the price up on z-28's and ss's if you pay it your gonna be in a whole nother territorry.It just makes me sick the way that works,i've been waiting for the new camaro sice I sold my old one, but then after seeing an srt8 challenger for 60 large at a STEALERSHIP, i'm gonna have to wait til 2012 to get a camaro at msrp just like the damn Z06'S when they came out.Sorry I needed to vent it just screws the little guy...Soooo in closing,Within the next two weeks I will be purchasing an 02-04 zo6, or an 05-06 z51 c6incase anyone has one for sale,oh and money in hand!Screw it I dont need the newest car on the block if my(hypothetically speaking)2003 ZO6 vette will smoke it by close to a second on either a road course or a drag strip bone stock!Add a cam, and your eating vipers and 91 turbosTrust me though, I agre that the new camaro is a beautiful car I would love to have, but out of principle I will not pay 1 dollar over MSRP, even though I can afford it.Can't wait to see what you guys who do buy them do to them mods wise!!!I'm sure with jsut a little work they can be monsters on the strip, as long as they make the stubs and half shafts in the rear much stronger than they did in the Gto!My o6 was ready to snap with just a can and 440 at the wheels,hope they dont make that mistake again


the SRT8 is a limited car the 1st year. that is why its $$$$.

80-100k camaro's will be produced. there may be some mark up on the 1st few to hit the lots, but there will not be any mark-ups after the market is flooded with them within the 1st few months, so settle down.

oh, and there's no Z28 for the 1st year either.
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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 01:03 AM
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everyone complains that the new camaro doesnt have the #1 fastest time around the ring. big deal. it'll be a badass car for the streets. the majority will never even drive the car to its full potential
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 08:00 PM
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sorry but what would a stock 98-02 ls1 m6 car do at the ring
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 68Goatboy
everyone complains that the new camaro doesnt have the #1 fastest time around the ring. big deal. it'll be a badass car for the streets. the majority will never even drive the car to its full potential
Ya know, all this talk about the handling of these new cars.....the ride comfort.....so forth and so on............I'm reminded of a comment that I read posted on Autoblog some time ago, regarding a particular point of view on modern muscle rides. It just makes me laugh whenever I read it:

I want this thing to be a liability. I want it to cause injuries. I want to make people's ears bleed from 40 yards away. It's American muscle. Everytime you step on the gas, you should be truly afraid that the rear tires may rip clean off the rims and decapitate innocent bystanders.
I hate how the manufacturers try to dress these up as sports cars. They're not sports cars. They're supposed to be loud, angry and brutally fast in a straight line. They're supposed to overheat in traffic, shake like a paint mixer at idle from the huge cam lobes and crush rear differentials like pop cans. They're supposed to be stiff middle fingers with wheels attached.
Now, come talk to me when you have a 9-inch rear end and wheelie bars.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SS 4 ever
ohhhh I was expecting around 7.50 to 7.59 a little better than the CTS-V...Mmmm I'm really dissapointed about the lap time
For 7:50-7:59 you are going to need to change some serious stuff on it. Even adding another 100 ponies might not get you there. Don't get me wrong I would like to have seen around 8:10 but thats what the Viper did... The previous M3's did not get below 8:20.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WECIV
There have been ppl on this board with suspension mods alone nearly on the 2010 M@RO's Ring Time. It is a shitty time. A few hundred pounds less would have made this car shame many many more cars. It is not forgivable, this car has a hundred extra horsepower and a huge increase in torque.

Though I must admit the new brakes on this car and the IRS will be quite a boom for us. The weight is a huge hindrance.

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Please tell me who on this board has driven the Ring? Let alone brought their car from the states over to drive it with some suspension mods...

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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rgrizzard
Please tell me who on this board has driven the Ring? Let alone brought their car from the states over to drive it with some suspension mods...

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While he is totally wrong about people "beating the time", you do know there are German members on this site right?
Roy has driven on the nurburgring as well as the hockenheimring.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....29&postcount=4
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Originally Posted by rgrizzard
Please tell me who on this board has driven the Ring? Let alone brought their car from the states over to drive it with some suspension mods...

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I've driven it. I was stationed at Spangdahlem, Germany for two years. The Nurburgring was only an hour away. I didn't bring my SS unfortunately , but a buddy of mine there had a 2001 Z28 M6 at the time with springs, shocks, STB, SFC's, LCA, Panhard rod, Torque-arm, ZR1 wheels with 275/40/17 BFG KDW's, Lid, long-tubes, cat-back, tune, cross-drilled rotors with HPS pads, steel braided brake lines.

I'm an average experienced driver and was cautious not to wreck his car, but I was running mid 10's, my buddy was running high 9's driving the hell out of the car. I can't really give you an exact number because you can't run laps continuously, you have to stop after each lap so there is extra time of accelerating and stopping at the beginning and end of each lap. We were faster than most cars, but were getting passed the most by 911's and M3's. Obviously the exotics were fast too when the owners drove them hard. C6's were fast too, but they are uncommon to see.

The track is very challenging and hard to memorize because it's so freaking long, but it was one of the best experiences of my life.

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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I have done a couple hundred laps during the last years on the Ring with my 4th gen Z28 and the thing is that most modern cars can be driven so much more easily compared to our cars which automatically makes them "faster" if you're not a pro driver or don't want to risk a lot.
There are some places during a Ring lap where I THINK I could go even faster but I don't want to try cause the car's reaction isn't really so predictable like it is in other cars...
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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I'm wondering how the track conditions were for some of the times and if it had to deal with any traffic? That would be nice to know.
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Old Aug 31, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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I have read somewhere on here of ppl getting 8:40's on the Ring with a 4th Gen.

The 5th gen has a lot better everything and should have been a lot faster.

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Old Aug 31, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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I saw the list wasn't accurate so I updated it,

6:49* -- 183.06 km/h -- 98 Formula (*1 of 1, street legal only in Cayman Isl) Driver TT632, Officially recorded by C&D Apr, 1. 08.
6:53* -- 181.31 km/h -- Ariel Atom, 560 PS/500 kg (*provisional entry based on mfr. estim.)
6:55* -- 178.69 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05), (*street-legal only in the UK) http://www.radicalextremesportscars....0905/index.php

7:11* -- 172.07 km/h -- McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car), Mika Hakkinen, http://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps...7Nt_zonda.html (*not an official source)
7:12* -- 171.67 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 01:38 AM
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If the trim was stock, mainly suspension, I'd say it is a pretty decent time, judging from the crappy stock suspension even the 4th gen cars have/had ... looks like GM finally learned their lessons
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by WECIV
I have read somewhere on here of ppl getting 8:40's on the Ring with a 4th Gen.
Not on a stock car ...
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 06:12 AM
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Definately not on a stock car (some version of the C5 did it in about 8:40).
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