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Old 03-23-2010, 06:21 PM
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Me and a friend were talking bout cars, and he came up with a pretty original idea. He was talking about trying to re route the freon line through the intake, or custom make a line with a little electric pump to push cold watter through the intake.
The idea is to try to make the air colder going into the engine. Will this be worth looking into or trying? Im guessing since nobody has it done it isnt worth it.
I know this is just like a cheap intercooler, but is this something i should try.
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Playing devil's advocate here:

So how is the freon going to cool the air? You just gonna run a rubber hose through your intake and assume its going to cool down the charge?
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for all your troubles i think the gains will be negligible.

ford was planning on doing this with their next gen lightning, dont think it made it to production, was suppose to be worth 50 hp, but that was on a supercharged engine
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck
for all your troubles i think the gains will be negligible.
I agree.


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ford was planning on doing this with their next gen lightning, dont think it made it to production, was suppose to be worth 50 hp, but that was on a supercharged engine
At that point its called an air to water (or whatever liquid you want to use) intercooler.
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Forget water. There is an agent you can spray into your intake that will give you gains from around 75 to 300+ horsepower! Try a search on something called "Nitrous Oxide". Not too much info about this magic gas on the net, but you might find a few hits with a google search.

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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
Forget water. There is an agent you can spray into your intake that will give you gains from around 75 to 300+ horsepower! Try a search on something called "Nitrous Oxide". Not too much info about this magic gas on the net, but you might find a few hits with a google search.

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Originally Posted by franksaltz28
Me and a friend were talking bout cars, and he came up with a pretty original idea. He was talking about trying to re route the freon line through the intake, or custom make a line with a little electric pump to push cold watter through the intake.
The idea is to try to make the air colder going into the engine. Will this be worth looking into or trying? Im guessing since nobody has it done it isnt worth it.
I know this is just like a cheap intercooler, but is this something i should try.
The cheapest solution is methanol injection. It will drop the temp of the air far below ambient. Run it on demand as needed determined by boost or rpm.

Front mounted intercoolers will cool the intake air temps too and are used with forced induction. Air to air coolers are not as efficient as air to water but air to air intercoolersare are still more effective because the plumbling and pump system for water is not required and the plumbing system for water is heavy and is another system that can fail. There isn't much that can fail with air to air.
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the problem lies with the little electric pump wont compress the freon, once you can compress it enough you just robbed and added more weight than you overcoming with hp.
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck
for all your troubles i think the gains will be negligible.

ford was planning on doing this with their next gen lightning, dont think it made it to production, was suppose to be worth 50 hp, but that was on a supercharged engine
Yea my friend was going to do this to his mustang. He was wanting to run water through a metal hose by his intake.

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Forget water. There is an agent you can spray into your intake that will give you gains from around 75 to 300+ horsepower! Try a search on something called "Nitrous Oxide". Not too much info about this magic gas on the net, but you might find a few hits with a google search.

Yea i am going with a 200 wet shot on my car.
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lol funny answers. To be honest unless you looking for power whats the point to cool the ccharge? if your looking for power why not do nitorus? methanal for force induction? NA doesnt need a cooler charge unless you road course race for hours in arizona. just my stupid .02
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like this

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^^ Is that a joke or is that serious? Cuz I wouldnt think you would want all those particulates and all the other exhaust **** in your intake going back into the combustion chamber. Im going to assume thats a joke...but maybe Im retarded
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Its a joke. i saw a huge thread about it ahwile back. some kid though it would work lol.
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Originally Posted by NastyNate65
Cuz I wouldnt think you would want all those particulates and all the other exhaust **** in your intake going back into the combustion chamber.
Exhaust won't hurt the intake or the combustion chambers. OE manufactures have been routing exhaust back into the intake charge for decades now. It's called EGR.
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No, it will not work.
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the power your ac robs from your engine would be more then u could make up with this idea
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
Exhaust won't hurt the intake or the combustion chambers. OE manufactures have been routing exhaust back into the intake charge for decades now. It's called EGR.
that probably started off as a joke too.
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lol.. yea, its a joke. But, someone did draw it up (I added the N20 for ***** and giggles) and ask if it wold work.




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