View Poll Results: Muscle or Sports?
Muscle Cars
150
71.43%
Sports Cars
24
11.43%
Sports Cars until you start modifying the motor for more power
11
5.24%
Its semantic
25
11.90%
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muscle or sports car
09-09-2006, 04:03 PM
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http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.ph...Show_Car_Guide
Go read about the camaro "5th generation Pony car" (implying that ALL CAMARO'S BEFORE IT were ALSO Pony Cars)
So get over it, you dont have a Long wheel base, you dont have a big block, and there are several other things that you are missing IIRC to be a muscle car. This is the ricest thing ever
Go read about the camaro "5th generation Pony car" (implying that ALL CAMARO'S BEFORE IT were ALSO Pony Cars)
So get over it, you dont have a Long wheel base, you dont have a big block, and there are several other things that you are missing IIRC to be a muscle car. This is the ricest thing ever
09-09-2006, 04:08 PM
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If you want to use wiki as a source why not look at the definition of muscle car there as well. click Look towards the bottom I can see the camaro listed as a muscle car.
I consider 289 mustang a pony car and the 427 mustang a muscle car. I think pony cars should be light and nimble.
I consider 289 mustang a pony car and the 427 mustang a muscle car. I think pony cars should be light and nimble.
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09-09-2006, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nebraskaTA
If you want to use wiki as a source why not look at the definition of muscle car there as well. click Look towards the bottom I can see the camaro listed as a muscle car.
I consider 289 mustang a pony car and the 427 mustang a muscle car. I think pony cars should be light and nimble.
I consider 289 mustang a pony car and the 427 mustang a muscle car. I think pony cars should be light and nimble.
I guess it is a matter of opinion then, but I will never view a camaro or a TA as a muscle car when it has a engine in the 3XX ci range. A 455, okay, I can see that, but a 346//350...I dont think so. But yeah, I see your point. I think thats stupid though, crappy Wikipedia
09-09-2006, 04:26 PM
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Muscle. The original musle cars were nothing more than your standard 4-5 seater vehicles with a large engine as an option.
Granted the F-bodies are not designed to haul people.
The muscle car is not concerned with comfort, weight, or luxury options.
They are concerned with cost, power, performance, and the $/performance ratio yeilded.
A Corvette is a sports car. A Camaro/Firebird is a muscle car.
Granted the F-bodies are not designed to haul people.
The muscle car is not concerned with comfort, weight, or luxury options.
They are concerned with cost, power, performance, and the $/performance ratio yeilded.
A Corvette is a sports car. A Camaro/Firebird is a muscle car.
09-09-2006, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteStripes
Yeah, but ask any old hot rodder that knows his ****. It's not just Wikipedia. Mustangs and Camaros/T/A's are Pony cars.
09-09-2006, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
I guess it is a matter of opinion then, but I will never view a camaro or a TA as a muscle car when it has a engine in the 3XX ci range.
...and I will NEVER view a 4th gen V8 Camaro/Firebird as a "pony" car when it came with the one of the largest production V8s offered in any passenger car from '93-'02.
There is a difference between modern muscle and original muscle. 4th gens are modern Muscle cars. A 346-350ci V8 was/is considered a BIG V8 during the 4th gen era.
And once again, F-bodies are NOT small cars. The 1st gen F-bodies were small compared to midsized cars of the day, HOWEVER, in today's terms a 4th Camaro is as big as any other midsized car.
Example:
My '96 Bonneville, which is considered a FULL SIZED sedan, is 201" long. My '98 Camaro is 193" long. That is a difference of 8" from a full-sized (not even mid-sized) car to a Camaro of the same era. Now, compare a '67 Camaro to a '67 Bonneville and you'll see a much bigger size gap. Point being, 4th gens are mid-sized cars, thus putting them further into the "modern muscle" catigory.
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09-09-2006, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.ph...Show_Car_Guide
Go read about the camaro "5th generation Pony car" (implying that ALL CAMARO'S BEFORE IT were ALSO Pony Cars)
So get over it, you dont have a Long wheel base, you dont have a big block, and there are several other things that you are missing IIRC to be a muscle car. This is the ricest thing ever
Go read about the camaro "5th generation Pony car" (implying that ALL CAMARO'S BEFORE IT were ALSO Pony Cars)
So get over it, you dont have a Long wheel base, you dont have a big block, and there are several other things that you are missing IIRC to be a muscle car. This is the ricest thing ever
09-09-2006, 06:55 PM
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Its pure semantics.
To many members of this board, a "muscle car" is cool, bad-***, and manly. A "sports car" is for effeminate Europeans with twead jackets and driving gloves. Sooo, ...its important to them to identify an F-body as a muscle car. I personally don't care. Muscle car/sports car, if its fast and looks good, I'm in.
To me, F-bodies are sort of a compromise between sports and muscle cars. That's the appeal. I've owned four F-bodies. A fast car that feels like pig in the corners is not for me, but I do like the ballsy, workman-like attitude of a muscle car. As far as I'm concerned, that's what the F-body is all about. It's a little of both.
To many members of this board, a "muscle car" is cool, bad-***, and manly. A "sports car" is for effeminate Europeans with twead jackets and driving gloves. Sooo, ...its important to them to identify an F-body as a muscle car. I personally don't care. Muscle car/sports car, if its fast and looks good, I'm in.
To me, F-bodies are sort of a compromise between sports and muscle cars. That's the appeal. I've owned four F-bodies. A fast car that feels like pig in the corners is not for me, but I do like the ballsy, workman-like attitude of a muscle car. As far as I'm concerned, that's what the F-body is all about. It's a little of both.
09-09-2006, 07:48 PM
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..... u act like you have won some kind of arguemant. i would call this thread more or less a dicussion of opinion, not a search to the all mighty question "whats is an f-body". so dont feel too proud of yourself. btw, i consider them muscle cars.
I guess you are going to tell me I dont know the meaning of life now either, huh!?
Pffffttt....Nah, I dont care if its a muscle car or not. I am still getting/in love with the LS1
09-09-2006, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CrawlinWS6
F-bodies = muscle cars
corvettes = sports cars
corvettes = sports cars
09-09-2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by blacksnake
To many members of this board, a "muscle car" is cool, bad-***, and manly. A "sports car" is for effeminate Europeans with twead jackets and driving gloves.
09-10-2006, 12:45 AM
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OK is it just me or does anyone else feel like Stanger88 is coming off as quite the all knowing ***?
well so far it looks like most people think its considered "moder muscle".
well so far it looks like most people think its considered "moder muscle".
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09-10-2006, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by -Freak-
OK is it just me or does anyone else feel like Stranger88 is coming off as quite the all knowing ***?
