darrensls1

69% agree with Pontiac. "The muscle car lives!"

lunatik

pics, video, info, sig give us somthin' on that 67!

Stang's Bane

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Pretty much agree. Couple of little things though, the GTO had a 389, not a 396. Don't just judgge the GTO on this though, ALL muscle cars were basically the same thing. A big engine in a midsize car. The original Camaro's=Pony car, 4th gen& 5th gen= modern muscle. To me, a pony car is a compromise between a muscle car and a sports car. JMHO

kage62005

Sports car, then mod some muscle on.

schmidt69

i voted musle cars.

JohnnyC

Sports cars are exotic, refined, lightweight cars that you would expect to see being driven by hot chicks in Beverly Hills.They have exhausts that sound like indy cars, and are seldom modified from stock.

Muscle cars are loud, obnoxious, heavy, and intimidating cars that have interiors filled with add-on gages,bad stereos, and pleather bucket seats.The owners are likely to be spotted at car part swap meets or local car cruises. The cars are more likely to be spotted at the local dairy queen parking lot,at a local car show with a cheesy stuffed animal on the front seat, or overheating in the drive-through at burger king.

It is pretty obvious which of the above categories that the 98-02 F-bodies fall into...

-Freak-

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HAHAHAHA, thanks for the chuckle!

john shea

I voted semantics but on second thought I think I was wrong . I am an elderly guy of 57 yrs and I don't think there is a true spots car anymore. I think they died out with the Triumphs and MG's of the 50's and 60's because I think a true sports car has two seats,functional wire wheels, and a rag top.
just my .02

unit213

That's classic...very creative! It's funny because it's true.

Quick1998Z28

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aside from the mullet quip, a 911 Turbo would not be a sports car according to you.

Muscle cars:
can't handle
can't brake
can't start in cold weather
vibrate more than a 120 dB sub system
are insanely loud
should be insanely fast in a straight line
and have the biggest, smelliest, fuel thirsty polluting engine you can possibly stuff between the fenders.
Interiors are optional, roll cages should be mandatory in a muscle car.

Since they made f-bodies from 1985-2002 actually capable of handling decently, and handling like formula 1 cars with suspension mods, I'd say late model f-bodies are sports cars. They have the look, feel, and handling of one, inspite of having a back seat (which IS removable) and hick jokes associated with them.

darrensls1

I'm not so sure about that. The 2007 Porsche 911 turbo is under 3500 pounds (albeit just barely). The 2007 Porsche 922 turbo has a rear storage area but I'm not prepared to call that a back seat I know my back seat is small but I can and have gotten two 220 lbs guys back there. I think the Porsche might get two 20 lbs bags of groceries back there but that's about it

That was true back in the sixties. This is where the term "modern muscle car" has to come into play. My very basic criteria for modern muscle is the car has to be:

Fast in a straight line: check
Heavy: check
loud: It has a nice rumble. Add LT's and catback to get a monster..CHECK
Aggressive looks but not enough to drop non-enthusiasts jaws: Check
Handles ok but won't break any world records: Check

F-body fits perfectly to me

I disagree. I think they easily fit into modern muscle more then a sports car. I consider a sports car something that makes people turn thier heads at the site of one. Not to mention being light, powerful, defined but not obnoxious exhaust, two doors, two seats and mostly driven by rich men mostly over 35. Thus I think of sports cars as being like the Viper, Vette, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Ford GT and well you get the idea.

And by looking at the current poll results, it would seem the majority of people here agree with my conclusion of F-body = modern muscle. But of course this is just my opinion.

wannabess00

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Pony Cars are a class of muscle car. GTO, CHARGER,CHEVELLE are intermediate muscle cars. Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, Cudas are pony car muscle cars. Check the American Muscle Car club for the classifications.

98 Raptor TA

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That's not proof, dont you know that wikipedia is NOT based on proven fact. It's opinions. You ever watch the Colbert Report? He explains that.

Also, i'll never refer to a F-body as a pony car. As far as i'm concerned, only the mustangs are pony cars. Pony=a horse, Mustang=a horse, Pony=Mustang. Period

Toadman

Voted muscle car.

StealthZ06

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It's a pony car.

darrensls1

Y2K Z28

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If you look at the basic formula for muscle cars which is the lightest car you can find with the biggest engine you've got with a dash of the average guy can afford it then it fits a muscle car perfectly. It will also run almost as fast as the fastest muscle cars could back in the day. In many cases faster. As far as calling it a sports car... it has a suspension that does have some good handling qualities but it is ultimatly a solid axled race car. To me a sports car must have a few things. One is 4 wheel independent suspension,two seats only,a raspy exhaust, often less then 8 cylinders, often more then one turbo, a price tag out of reach for the average joe and a fear of high speed bumps. The camaro has none of these and is therefore a musclecar. The new camaros get mislabeled as sports cars because unlike their older "real" muscle car counterparts the new cars have the chassis, suspension and tires to handle the power and speed. That doesn't make them sports cars that makes them better muscle cars.

JD_AMG

Actually many many muscle cars were on the porky side...

infinitebird

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F-bodies are capable of handling very well with suspension mods but I doubt they could ever equal a formula one car.

orangefun

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muscle car all the way, most everyone here said what i was thinking.

F-body will never ever = a Pony car
Mustang=Pony car


I heard this once ..."Ponys can run...but Birds can Fly"...