Modding the LID?
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Modding the LID?
Can the stock air lid be modded (ie. grinding the baffles out of it) to perform like an MTI or SLP lid? I am sorry if this is stupid, I have never SEEN a lid dissassembled before so I dont know what I would be working with, but this sounds like a potential "free" mod??
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I did that with the old car. I broke all the fins off and sanded them down. Then I got rid of the air baffles around the lid and used a 3 into 4 in tube to place inbetween the lid and maf aka Fernco mod.
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
So...whats the point of buying a lid, anyone willing to take a pic of an MTI or something?
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Nice! Oh, another thing, I heard a stock 2002 M6 Z28 today. I talked to the owner (Wifey was driving it, she bought it for the husbund, I envy him ) But I couldn't help but notice how QUIET!!! it was. What is the cheapest way to make one louder. I have been thinking DMH E-cutout. What do you guys think? I like the E-cutout idea, sick when I want, quiet when needed, and only $200
Also, Subframe connectors. I can buy them for $150 (anyone now of cheaper?) and a shop I know will weld them in for $100. Is this reasonable? The reason I want subs is b/c the whole T-top/unibody thing. Will subs make a difference really or not?
Also, Subframe connectors. I can buy them for $150 (anyone now of cheaper?) and a shop I know will weld them in for $100. Is this reasonable? The reason I want subs is b/c the whole T-top/unibody thing. Will subs make a difference really or not?
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Can the stock air lid be modded (ie. grinding the baffles out of it) to perform like an MTI or SLP lid? I am sorry if this is stupid, I have never SEEN a lid dissassembled before so I dont know what I would be working with, but this sounds like a potential "free" mod??
Also the outlet hole is different. Biggest thing is you need to remove the large baffles/silences between the lid and the MAF (not shown in the above pic) so you'll end up buying ducting and fabbing it up and it will probably look horrid and not perform any better.
Plus a lid is only $95 - if that's too pricey then you shouldn't be modding
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Cut-Out is the cheapest and easiest way to make it louder. Of course it will get you more power than any catback and sounds pretty good after stock cats. Sounds good for the SFC's. People argue whether they are worth it or not, but cheap insurance is cheap insurance, if you need it, great, if not, well.. it was cheap. The T-top 4th gen F-bodys are just as strong as the Hard-top, if you pull the head liner down on a hardtop you'll see what im talking about. If you go to the track and stick with 4k launches, SFC's are a good idea, if not, well again, cheap insurance.
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Originally Posted by Trust
Cut-Out is the cheapest and easiest way to make it louder. Of course it will get you more power than any catback and sounds pretty good after stock cats. Sounds good for the SFC's. People argue whether they are worth it or not, but cheap insurance is cheap insurance, if you need it, great, if not, well.. it was cheap. The T-top 4th gen F-bodys are just as strong as the Hard-top, if you pull the head liner down on a hardtop you'll see what im talking about. If you go to the track and stick with 4k launches, SFC's are a good idea, if not, well again, cheap insurance.
Car will not be a strip *****, will I notice less rattles and creaks with the SFC's or no? We have a lot of potholes here, will it matter?
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Nice! Oh, another thing, I heard a stock 2002 M6 Z28 today. I talked to the owner (Wifey was driving it, she bought it for the husbund, I envy him ) But I couldn't help but notice how QUIET!!! it was.
Originally Posted by Stanger88
What is the cheapest way to make one louder. I have been thinking DMH E-cutout. What do you guys think? I like the E-cutout idea, sick when I want, quiet when needed, and only $200
Personally I am no fan of a cutout. If you have a good exhaust with mufflers that flow as well or better than the tubing then there is nothing to gain by by-passing them. The only affect you will have is the exhaust pressure wave. And sometimes this will be a negative affect.
So the only use for a cutout is volume control and thats only if the catback is fairly quiet.
Also, the stock tubing is 2.5", so the cutout will need to be 2.5" however you can not by-pass the tubing. 3" is really the minimal you should be looking at with an LS1. 2.5" is too restrictive even in stock form. Also all aftermarket catbacks are 3" so if you ever get one your cutout is useless.
Originally Posted by Stanger88
Also, Subframe connectors. I can buy them for $150 (anyone now of cheaper?) and a shop I know will weld them in for $100. Is this reasonable? The reason I want subs is b/c the whole T-top/unibody thing. Will subs make a difference really or not?
SFC's are still a good idea. The box sections ones are good as you can then use them to jack the car up on, you can't do that with the tubular ones. Personally I like the UMI Performance ones (that's what I have). But they are all pretty similar.
Just a last note.
Ages back I watched a vid. Two cars, one ALL free mods, they had done every thing that was free, plus they had a cutout. Remember free mods are not always free. Against a lid and 4.10 geared car. Both M6's. The car with the lid and gears simply walked away from the other car. Even though their mod list was actually smaller. And in reality they had probably not spent much more money either.
Good setup and well chosen mods vs. Crap setup and waste of money mods.
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I just found it to be ungodly quiet, and the cut-out would cost me $200 + welding, the cheapest cat-back I found is a Hooker with the Aerochamber muffler. How are those for power?
Basically, you guys say "no" to the SFC's unless i put stickies on it? I just want to minimize sqeeks/rattles as much as I can.
Is the F-body as rigid as the 05+ GT's? (they are 31% more rigid than the 99-04) How does the F-bod compare in rigidity to the 99-04's?
Basically, you guys say "no" to the SFC's unless i put stickies on it? I just want to minimize sqeeks/rattles as much as I can.
Is the F-body as rigid as the 05+ GT's? (they are 31% more rigid than the 99-04) How does the F-bod compare in rigidity to the 99-04's?
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Car will not be a strip *****, will I notice less rattles and creaks with the SFC's or no? We have a lot of potholes here, will it matter?
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
I just found it to be ungodly quiet, and the cut-out would cost me $200 + welding, the cheapest cat-back I found is a Hooker with the Aerochamber muffler. How are those for power?
Basically, you guys say "no" to the SFC's unless i put stickies on it? I just want to minimize sqeeks/rattles as much as I can.
Is the F-body as rigid as the 05+ GT's? (they are 31% more rigid than the 99-04) How does the F-bod compare in rigidity to the 99-04's?
Basically, you guys say "no" to the SFC's unless i put stickies on it? I just want to minimize sqeeks/rattles as much as I can.
Is the F-body as rigid as the 05+ GT's? (they are 31% more rigid than the 99-04) How does the F-bod compare in rigidity to the 99-04's?
As for the s197, well I don't know it's offical nm rotation torque and twist figures. I would say they are probably comparable. Remember the older sn95 was based off an old Fox platform which had been around sine the 70's. The 4th Gen Fbody was new in 1993 and has proven very capable in competition.
Now I'm not saying its the best. But the type of roads I drive on are nothing like US roads. These are tight twsity, often slippy and very bumpy with off camber corners as well. They are a lot of FUN but it does test a car out well. Now the Fbody is heavy, but I've driven Mercs, BMW's, Jags and other big and small cars on the same roads (probably 40+ different types of car) and I feel very confident to say the Fbody 4th gen platform is actually very good and very capable.
The stock suspension isn't the best and high speed body roll isn't controlled brilliantly, but new shocks and sway bars (Sam Strano @ Strano Performane Parts) will sort it all out. And occasionally you can catch the live rear napping where an IRS would probably have coped.
But overall I am very impressed with the Fbody even in totally stock trim.
This is probably the cheapest exhaust I know of: http://texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp...d=195&catid=46
TSP Rumbler, it essentially a Dynomouth (SLP Loudmouth with a Dynomax bullet) but in mild steel. It isn't the best, but it is cheap and free flowing and should dound pretty darn meaty if a tad loud.
Failing that have a look for a 2nd hand exhaust.
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After market lid and free ram air mod is worth the $100. You will notice a nice intake noise when you hit the gas vs stock.
With boxed subframe connectors, lower control arms, panhard bar, and stut tower brace, my car has less creeks and rattles with 124,000 miles on it than it did when I drove it home new.
With boxed subframe connectors, lower control arms, panhard bar, and stut tower brace, my car has less creeks and rattles with 124,000 miles on it than it did when I drove it home new.
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Originally Posted by blue02formula
After market lid and free ram air mod is worth the $100. You will notice a nice intake noise when you hit the gas vs stock.
With boxed subframe connectors, lower control arms, panhard bar, and stut tower brace, my car has less creeks and rattles with 124,000 miles on it than it did when I drove it home new.
With boxed subframe connectors, lower control arms, panhard bar, and stut tower brace, my car has less creeks and rattles with 124,000 miles on it than it did when I drove it home new.
Nice, sounds good. I will go ahead and get the SFC's then. And save the cat-back for later. how much whp is a cat-back worth over stock anyways?
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Also, how loud is an LS1 F-body under WOT, I know at idle I can hardly hear the thing, please tell me its louder than a GTO WOT, those things I couldnt even hear from inside hardly.