Justin00SS

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s/c depend on the amount of stuff needed for install.

Some s/c setups are bolt-on. But other aren't becuause of the need to upgrade fuel injectors, tune, intercooler, relocation of accessories, etc.

SIC LSX

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boltons are what they sound like!!!! Now if there was something called boltin's then you might have something

BayAreaSS

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A cam is definately NOT a bolton. You cant bolt it to anything

unit213

Heads bolt on. So does a turbo kit, a blower, and nitrous. Therefore,
they are bolt ons.

TWS

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Didn't know some people had such wild ideas about what a bolt-on is... or is not.

The way I was raised learning how to modify cars was that basically if the part touches engine oil, it's internal and is NOT a "bolt-on". There are a few additional parameters, but that one sums it up fairly well. Other parameters considered to be conventional wisdom is that not only is a "bolt-on" mod external, but also that it is something fairly simple, not involving a big install project.

Things like ignition systems, cold air kits, IAT relocators, throttle bodies, underdrive pullies, cat-backs, even headers. Poly mounts, simple suspension swaps like LCA's or panhard bars, torque arms, etc.

Sparetire

It is for OHC people. Seriously. You basicly do half a T-Belt job and remove the valve cover and your there. Cams. Bolted onto the head. I guess technically you could say that thats internal, but its very very easy acess. Its like saying an oil dipstick is internal. I's say cams on a 4G63 is about as involved as an LS6 intake on a 98 or something.

Now on the cars we care about here, it is not. You have to do a pretty involved procedure since the cam is in the block.

So basicly. In an OHC car it is. In an OHV car it is not. For the sake of simplicity, we generally refer to them as not being a bolt on though.

I still voted yes just to mess with people LOL.

jpat1023

Holy **** this thread is still goin?

Is it really that big of a debate? I thought everyone knew what a "bolt-on" was. I also thought everyone, even a complete noob, knew that a cam is NOT a bolt-on. It really isn't that hard to understand.

curtisw511

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lol hell no

bww3588

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who bolts their air filter down?
bolt on's bolt to the engine. internals go inside the engine.

Lucas'02SS

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Justin00SS

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If you would have read then you would know the deal.

Lucas'02SS

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I read and I still don't know the deal! A cam isn't a bolt-on. I don't know what else there is to it.....

blackmaro99

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well, do you bolt it on? no? ok then.

erikthegoalie

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if it doesnt touch oil, its a bolt on IMO

jpat1023

hahaha...I did read. And you want to know what I found out?? A cam is still not a bolt-on. A bolt-on is something bolted on to the external part of the engine. A cam is INTERNAL ENGINE WORK! How many times does that have to be posted?
Difficulty level does not matter. Time consumption does not matter. All that matters is the application to the engine. And since a cam is INTERNAL ENGINE WORK!, it is not a bolt-on.

And to address the smartasses that say (in a retarded voice), "so a supercharger is a bolton?" NO. A supercharger is a power adder. Bolt-Ons take advantage of power that your engine already possesses, it just hasn't released yet. Power adders, such as N2O, supercharger, turbocharger, etc., are not bolt-ons, even though they 'bolt on' along with many other modifications done to the engine to run the power adder.

Now, if there is some other 'deal' that I did not address, please let me know, otherwise, have a nice day.

Keenov

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Engine Performance, Bolt-on wise (Note, this is a from a LS1/6 modding perspective): Something that replaces a stock component on the exterior of the engine and "frees" up horsepower and/or allows the engine to receive more air. Includes exhaust and intake components. (i.e: air lid/CAI (yes, it uses screws instead of bolts), throttle body (either modified from stock or replaced), intake manifold, pullies, exhaust manifolds/headers, header/manifold back or cat back, etc..)

Argumentative: electric water pump, MAF (either modified from stock or replaced)

Does not include: Forced induction, Nitrous Oxide, or anything that is used to correct a factory flaw and/or does not free horsepower (noticable, not .5hp). (i.e: catch can, throttle body bypass, smooth bellows, exhaust clamps, air filter, free ram air, thermostat, etc..)


Engine Performance, Internal wise (Note, this is a from a LS1 modding perspective): Something that replaces a stock component that "increases" horsepower or strengthens the engine internally. Includes increasing stroke/bore. (i.e: valve springs, lifters, pushrods, cam, heads, rocker arms, forged pistons/rods/crank, rod bolts, etc..)


-Replacing the engine for an aftermarket engine with increased stroke/bore or forged internals is an internal modification (You are just lazy).

jpat1023

^^That's what I said, except you made your post prettier...with a touch of detail

Justin00SS

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Just so you know. I don't think a cam is a bolt-on.

But I know of 3 people who do. Of course they think that they are master mechanics as well.

Lucas'02SS

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I am so confused as to the meaning of this thread now...I thought you were implying you thought it was a bolt-on.

Justin00SS

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Well those people said that there are alot of people who think they are bolt-ons.

I was trying to prove them wrong. I kinda did.