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Old 10-01-2007, 10:09 PM
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Default X-Pipe what does it really do????

I am pretty sure an x pipe balances out the flow between pipes and has several advantages like sound quality but what will it do for-
Top end power/torque?
Mid range power/torque?
Low end power/torque?
and anything else you want to add is helpfull!!!
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i mean is it worth paying the extra money to have one welded into my true duals setup
on a mostly stock ls1?
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yea pretty much its primary purpose is to balance out the flow from the 2 manifolds, I would def. do some kind of crossover pipe to balance out the pressure, but as far as X or H I know the sounds are a little different but I dont think there is any huge power gains either way but someone can correct me if im wrong on that
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i personally dont think is is worth the extra $100 or so for the x pipe. i will be dumping the bulets exhaust before the rear axle.
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From my understanding the H pipe serves to relieve one bank with two cylenders firing emidiately one after the other. The X pipe also serves the same function but with a scavenging affect. It uses the exhaust pulses from one bank to scavenge the opposite bank helping to draw in more fuel/air to the cylenders.

The header mounted crank case evac systems work off the exhaust pulses to pull a vacuum in the same way.

In both cases though the scavenging affect will not work unless you have a very free flowing system. If your running restrictive mufflers dont waist your money on the X pipe, it will just be one more bend in the system and will serve no function.

If im wrong or misleading im sure someone will chime in and correct me.

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Originally Posted by 180ls1
i personally dont think is is worth the extra $100 or so for the x pipe. i will be dumping the bulets exhaust before the rear axle.
Im running a 3" true dual set up with zero bends and Dynomax bullets dumped at the axle. I dont think an H would benifit anything as there isnt any pressure to relieve.

I think an X might benifit slightly on some applications with this set up since the scavenging affect would be at its strongest due to there being zero restriction and the pulses at a much higher velocity?
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Ya i dont know how much scavenging it would provide? Anyone?
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It doesn't really provide much scavenging as the exhaust pulses have to be timed to bring the reversion wave to the exhaust port on the head in time for the that valve to open. Plus, by the time the pulse has been diluted into the stream behind the collector, much of its energy is lost. But it does provide some cleaning of the exhaust system behind the collector and helps support scavenging in the header. Plus it offers a two paths to low pressure behind the X which helps flow resistance and balance. X pipes are more effective than H pipes as the merge is gentle. They sound cool too!
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I'd just run the straight pipes like you said, though I'm no expert. However, when I open up my dual cutouts, which is kind of like straight pipes with no muffler, my car feels doggy from idle to about 2300 RPM or so. It's too much for my stock internal, bolt-on LS1.

How much overlap does your cam have?
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anyone know where to get one for an lt1? or will an ls1 one fit my 96 ws6?
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On another note... I dont like the way the xpipe sounds at all.. reminds me of a raspy v6..... but do some LS1-sound research if they have any clips of that.
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The X-pipe is known for higher end numbers, while the H-pipe will give you some more low end torque. Other than that, it depends which one you like more. The H-pipe is a deeper, more muscle car sound while the X-pipe is known as "nascar", or a little raspy.
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Originally Posted by Sharpe
I'd just run the straight pipes like you said, though I'm no expert. However, when I open up my dual cutouts, which is kind of like straight pipes with no muffler, my car feels doggy from idle to about 2300 RPM or so. It's too much for my stock internal, bolt-on LS1.

How much overlap does your cam have?
i have a stock cam and all stock internals just the basic exhaust and intake parts but nothing special.
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Then I would get the X pipe.
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thanks for the help sharpe and everyone else it is much appreciated.
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helps i flow better
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Mustang rags have done dyno tests on h versus x pipes..xpipes won everytime
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The X-Pipe Scavenges!!! and scavenging is very important in making power! Plus the sound is great!

get one and be happy.
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Originally Posted by chrisdacarnut
The X-Pipe Scavenges!!! and scavenging is very important in making power! Plus the sound is great!

get one and be happy.
*dueling banjos in the background* Bubba dunchu go lissen too that theerrr cityslicker. Opun hedders make more of that horsepower or whathaveya. Backpressure with dem mufflers keepyer exhaust valve thingies from burnin up and boost tuorqeynisness.I usedtaculd have an h-pipe thing on me oldskool chevelle and it would beat up on any of these newfangled fuel injectamated vEEEEhickles. Carb-raters are mo betta Bubba.
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Originally Posted by chromeplated500
On another note... I dont like the way the xpipe sounds at all.. reminds me of a raspy v6..... .
youve been hearing some shitty dual setups then. Mine aint raspy.


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