Thinking about trading 350Z for LS1
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I like the way you're thinking. The 350Z's are great cars, look sharp and run very will for a 3.5 V6, however you should be able to find a 01-02 LS1 SS, Z28, TA or Formula in the $15K range.
I picked up my 2002 SS for $17,500. The car had 20K miles on the clock and the original owner had already done a good bit of modding.
As for speed.....if you get a 6M and plan on running at the track with any sort of decent tire, go ahead and put $2.5K away to replace the weak 10 bolt rear. I have 3.90's in the rear and still only run street tires because I'm dumping more $$$ into the motor right now instead of the rear end. A 9" rear is on the way in the next year and will be a MUST if you plan to have a 400+ rwhp setup. With $2K, you could easily pick up a few choice mods and get 400 rwhp from an LS1. 400 HP + 10 bolt rear + traction = need for a carriage to pick up the parts behind you!
As for handling....in my opinion, the car handles pretty well in stock form, however a few choice mods will help with that as well. Again, another $1K - $2K in suspension mods and the car should be relatively tight. Personally, I noticed a substantial improvement simply from installing a strut shock tower brace and subframe connectors. The parts plus install ran me around $700.
I picked up my 2002 SS for $17,500. The car had 20K miles on the clock and the original owner had already done a good bit of modding.
As for speed.....if you get a 6M and plan on running at the track with any sort of decent tire, go ahead and put $2.5K away to replace the weak 10 bolt rear. I have 3.90's in the rear and still only run street tires because I'm dumping more $$$ into the motor right now instead of the rear end. A 9" rear is on the way in the next year and will be a MUST if you plan to have a 400+ rwhp setup. With $2K, you could easily pick up a few choice mods and get 400 rwhp from an LS1. 400 HP + 10 bolt rear + traction = need for a carriage to pick up the parts behind you!
As for handling....in my opinion, the car handles pretty well in stock form, however a few choice mods will help with that as well. Again, another $1K - $2K in suspension mods and the car should be relatively tight. Personally, I noticed a substantial improvement simply from installing a strut shock tower brace and subframe connectors. The parts plus install ran me around $700.
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From just driving the Z28 (automatic) for a short ammount of time, it felt really close to the same speed as a 6speed 350Z. I bet it would be extremely close between the 2. I'm sure the 6speed Z28 would pull pretty good on me.
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I ride to work every day with a coworker that has a 350z with the NISMO package and CAI. It's a fun little ride and seems to take corners well, but neither he nor I are doing AutoX or anything.
His exhaust sounds kinda cool. At least it's not fart-can ricey. But it has nothing on a Fbody ; )
My car is a much more entertaining experience to drive.
If you're into straight line racing, who cares if an Fbody doesn't handle as well? It can be made to. A 350z can't be made to sound scary and vibrate your coffee in the cup holder.
Do it.
His exhaust sounds kinda cool. At least it's not fart-can ricey. But it has nothing on a Fbody ; )
My car is a much more entertaining experience to drive.
If you're into straight line racing, who cares if an Fbody doesn't handle as well? It can be made to. A 350z can't be made to sound scary and vibrate your coffee in the cup holder.
Do it.
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big big mistake..... First of all I have both..... it doesnt matter what you do, the f body will neve handle the way the stock z does. let alone a z with an upgraded suspention. the z is built better will last longer and looks just as good if not better than the f body. Im not sure how fast you are trying to fet in the z but it will take nowhere near 15k to get the car moving fast. just like any factory motor out there the weak point is the rod bolts. replace them and that is really all you need to do to the bottom end. the crank is good for 1400 rwhp (already forged) and the rods are good to about 550 rwhp. just got to know what to do with the car. I had 5k in the car including exhaust, clutch, bolt ons and had the car running a lazy 11.92 in the 1/4 (scared of breaking the axles on the small independant suspention axles) so i slipped the clutch badly leaving the line. but I trapped at the end of the 1/4 mile at 132 mph. most of the fbodies in here cant trap that fast....
now if you want a plain fast all out straight line car then get you an fbody. you got the best of both worlds with the 350z.....
now if you want a plain fast all out straight line car then get you an fbody. you got the best of both worlds with the 350z.....
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You can make the LS1 F-body handle great with a few simple mods. Springs, shocks/struts and swaybars will make a huge difference for under $1000. As already suggested, check out Strano. I have his tuned Bilsteins, Eibach springs and some BMR stuff on my Z28. Handles really nice and the ride-quality is still good...
I love how F-body prices are going UP. I tried to sell my 16K mile 383 Z28 last year for $16K and got low-balled to death... Maybe I'll try selling her again next year, or maybe I'll just keep her.
I love how F-body prices are going UP. I tried to sell my 16K mile 383 Z28 last year for $16K and got low-balled to death... Maybe I'll try selling her again next year, or maybe I'll just keep her.
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Yeah, I wouldnt pay near 20k unless your getting a LE, CETA, or a low mile LS1. I paid 20k for my LE SS Camaro in December. I could have gotten a vette but I opted for that Camaro. Good luck in your searching!
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big big mistake..... First of all I have both..... it doesnt matter what you do, the f body will neve handle the way the stock z does. let alone a z with an upgraded suspention. the z is built better will last longer and looks just as good if not better than the f body. Im not sure how fast you are trying to fet in the z but it will take nowhere near 15k to get the car moving fast. just like any factory motor out there the weak point is the rod bolts. replace them and that is really all you need to do to the bottom end. the crank is good for 1400 rwhp (already forged) and the rods are good to about 550 rwhp. just got to know what to do with the car. I had 5k in the car including exhaust, clutch, bolt ons and had the car running a lazy 11.92 in the 1/4 (scared of breaking the axles on the small independant suspention axles) so i slipped the clutch badly leaving the line. but I trapped at the end of the 1/4 mile at 132 mph. most of the fbodies in here cant trap that fast....
now if you want a plain fast all out straight line car then get you an fbody. you got the best of both worlds with the 350z.....
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now if you want a plain fast all out straight line car then get you an fbody. you got the best of both worlds with the 350z.....
Most f-bodies on this site may not trap 132mph, but if you look at it, the majority of them are cam only or bolt-on cars, I doubt most of your 350Z friends trap that either. If you want to be fair lets put your car up against a bolt-on spray car and see how you do.
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big big mistake..... First of all I have both..... it doesnt matter what you do, the f body will neve handle the way the stock z does. let alone a z with an upgraded suspention. the z is built better will last longer and looks just as good if not better than the f body. Im not sure how fast you are trying to fet in the z but it will take nowhere near 15k to get the car moving fast. just like any factory motor out there the weak point is the rod bolts. replace them and that is really all you need to do to the bottom end. the crank is good for 1400 rwhp (already forged) and the rods are good to about 550 rwhp. just got to know what to do with the car. I had 5k in the car including exhaust, clutch, bolt ons and had the car running a lazy 11.92 in the 1/4 (scared of breaking the axles on the small independant suspention axles) so i slipped the clutch badly leaving the line. but I trapped at the end of the 1/4 mile at 132 mph. most of the fbodies in here cant trap that fast....
How on earth did you trap 132mph with $5k in mods? A 150shot and bolton 350Z doesn't trap anywhere near that. Did you mean 123?
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it is currently jetted for a 225 shot. and no i didnt mean 123 i meant 132. and i now get the 1/4 mile times (or close to it ) that a 132 trap speed nets you.
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The auto LS1 car and the M6 LS1 run nearly the same 1/4 mile times stock, on average. M6 will usually run low 13s stock (good driver) and A4 will run mid-low 13s stock.
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$5k to run high 11's isn't really much to brag about, especially when you are spraying a 150 shot to get there. What do you run NA? Talk to Sam Strano about how a f-body 'will never handle the way a 350Z does', I'd be interested to see what he says.. As far as the appearance part, that is subjective, I think 350Z's look cool, but they also look small and like a matchbox car to me, I would rather an F-bod, but again, that doesn't apply to everybody you talk to.
Most f-bodies on this site may not trap 132mph, but if you look at it, the majority of them are cam only or bolt-on cars, I doubt most of your 350Z friends trap that either. If you want to be fair lets put your car up against a bolt-on spray car and see how you do.
Most f-bodies on this site may not trap 132mph, but if you look at it, the majority of them are cam only or bolt-on cars, I doubt most of your 350Z friends trap that either. If you want to be fair lets put your car up against a bolt-on spray car and see how you do.
as for the handling thing. nice example of a select few cars from one team (put that same car against a nismo gt spec z and see what happens) and not too many guys have the money to make their car handle that well....
as for running a nitrous and bolt on f-body? i do it all the time. I win some and i lose some. but it takes a high 9 second pass to get around my z car these days. and 5k doesnt get to many fbodies into the 9s..
im not hear to argue with you though. the guy wanted opinions and i stated mine. i have both and in my opinion the best of both worlds is the z. like i stated i have both. the camaro is down now getting se up to have a glide installed as well as a little more head and cam as well as a little more juice.
I have had probobly 12-15 fbody cars dating all the way back to my first 1973 firebird in 1989 to my current 98 z28 6spd car that im putting the glide in.
sorry if i offended anyone. just stating my personal experience with both of them since i have had several z cars ( 2of them being 350z's) and many many f bodies
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stock with a good drive those are the times you can get in a z as well. my first time at the track i pulled a 13.8 at 104 and after a few launches was able to get it down to 13.37 at the same 104
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'03-'06 run 13.8-13.9 @ 101-102mph which is pretty close to most of the times I've seen on here with an automatic F-body.. I'm not saying the LS1 isn't faster, but it feels like it's very close.
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so in otherwords stock for stock they are about the same just as i was saying before. only difference is one will go around a curve like its on rails and one nose through it sliding and braking through it....
like i said from the begining they are both great for what they are designed for but in my opinion it would be a step back to trade a z car for a fbody car, but that is just my opinion
like i said from the begining they are both great for what they are designed for but in my opinion it would be a step back to trade a z car for a fbody car, but that is just my opinion