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Old Sep 17, 2014 | 07:17 PM
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M6 2000 fully stock, I get 18 mixed driving. 3 miles city / 9 hwy to work. Fill up weekly.
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Old Sep 18, 2014 | 12:52 AM
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M6 2000 fully stock, I get 18 mixed driving. 3 miles city / 9 hwy to work. Fill up weekly.
Stock 1999 T/A A4, averaged about 24.5, with 10 miles city and 40 miles highway every day.
Stock 2000 WS6 A4, averaging 20.5 with same route.

I would think anything in the 16-18 mpg range for all city is normal. 14's seems way low to me?
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Old Sep 18, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by big_g
Stock 1999 T/A A4, averaged about 24.5, with 10 miles city and 40 miles highway every day.
Stock 2000 WS6 A4, averaging 20.5 with same route.

I would think anything in the 16-18 mpg range for all city is normal. 14's seems way low to me?
that is what i am thinking. there isn't a lot of traffic either.
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Old Sep 18, 2014 | 05:11 PM
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that is what i am thinking. there isn't a lot of traffic either.
Just curious, did you use the exact same gas staition for both the initial fill up and the second fill up when you checked the amount of gas used?
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Old Sep 18, 2014 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mildphil
that is what i am thinking. there isn't a lot of traffic either.
These cars are so are-sensitive - we can judge urban city driving and highway speed driving. Anything in between is a crap shoot.

I've gotten the full range. 10mpg (stop every other block, driving amongst skyscrapers) and 29.5 mpg (highway at 55 mph, on flat roads, cleaned MAF, and new O2 sensors). When these cars were designed, the National speed limit was 55 mph, so it shouldn't be a surprise that we see the best mpg at that speed.

So, when you are 40+, you'll also get odd results. There's goodness up to 55, but then the mpg's drop off radically as we push to 65+.
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by big_g
Just curious, did you use the exact same gas staition for both the initial fill up and the second fill up when you checked the amount of gas used?
yes, it is the only station I go to.

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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by wssix99
These cars are so are-sensitive - we can judge urban city driving and highway speed driving. Anything in between is a crap shoot.

I've gotten the full range. 10mpg (stop every other block, driving amongst skyscrapers) and 29.5 mpg (highway at 55 mph, on flat roads, cleaned MAF, and new O2 sensors). When these cars were designed, the National speed limit was 55 mph, so it shouldn't be a surprise that we see the best mpg at that speed.

So, when you are 40+, you'll also get odd results. There's goodness up to 55, but then the mpg's drop off radically as we push to 65+.
Damn I never knew this, very interesting.
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Old Sep 23, 2014 | 11:26 AM
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Damn I never knew this, very interesting.
Some more perspective:

If you subscribe to the school of thought that the fourth gen is really a minor evolution of the third gen body, then these cars were actually designed before internet browsers existed. At the time, the wheel was a modern wonder of science and man marveled at his ability to tame fire.
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Old Sep 23, 2014 | 06:41 PM
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Some more perspective:

If you subscribe to the school of thought that the fourth gen is really a minor evolution of the third gen body, then these cars were actually designed before internet browsers existed. At the time, the wheel was a modern wonder of science and man marveled at his ability to tame fire.
Pretty deep stuff
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Old Sep 23, 2014 | 11:28 PM
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I'll tell you what will kill the mileage on these engines is dirty lifters. I Have owned 6 LS1 fbodies THEY ALL averaged 24 combined city-highway driving. all highway driving 29 all city 20. But 2 of them had lifters troubles when I 1st bought them and both those cars had terrible fuel mileage until the lifters were cleaned-repaired. After that they both got great mileage.

Even driving like a mad man I never got less than 20 when I filled up.


but considering your short trip times I'd say its about right. Drivetrain is barely getting completely warmed up. Takes about 18 miles driving to get everything up to temp.

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Old Sep 24, 2014 | 12:12 AM
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I was getting 19MPG/avg on my 1999 M6 SS with full boltons, and have consistently gotten 15MPG/avg on my 2000 M6 SS (Forged 402 with 600+horsepower) this is daily driving and driving each vehicle in the same matter so your numbers seem pretty concerning for a stock vehicle. Previous posts in this thread seem to have helped out but I just wanted to give you a comparison/personal experience for my situation.

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Old Sep 24, 2014 | 08:34 AM
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You described my exact problem. I did have someone scan them and they were switching. My guess is they are tired & switching slooooo (106k)? Do they slow down after time? I read you like Denso's 234-4617 which are on the way.
I use the 2344025....16" long....they fit perfectly on the drivers side with a little extra. The passengers side has a lot extra and I have to fold the wire and zip tie it in place.

I have 02 extensions due to my LT headers.......

2344617 are 44" long........way way long....you will have to wrap and fold the excess wire, but that's cool.

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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RTM
I was getting 19MPG/avg on my 1999 M6 SS with full boltons, and have consistently gotten 15MPG/avg on my 2000 M6 SS (Forged 402 with 600+horsepower) this is daily driving and driving each vehicle in the same matter so your numbers seem pretty concerning for a stock vehicle. Previous posts in this thread seem to have helped out but I just wanted to give you a comparison/personal experience for my situation.
Yeah it is very strange. And I have also heard the fuel gauges aren't accurate in these cars BUT when i leave the car in the morning then come back in the afternoon to leave and start it, it looks like the fuel has dropped slightly. Today for example, i parked with the meter perfectly on the "F" line, but 8 hours later, it was below the line instead of touching being lined up perfectly.
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mildphil
Yeah it is very strange. And I have also heard the fuel gauges aren't accurate in these cars BUT when i leave the car in the morning then come back in the afternoon to leave and start it, it looks like the fuel has dropped slightly. Today for example, i parked with the meter perfectly on the "F" line, but 8 hours later, it was below the line instead of touching being lined up perfectly.
The gauges definitely aren't very accurate, they are more of a dummy gauge to give you an estimate on your tank level. I would never attempt to measure the actual MPG based on your fuel gauge. I just reset my trip odometer when I fill up, and write down how many Liters (Canada) I put in the car.
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mildphil
Yeah it is very strange. And I have also heard the fuel gauges aren't accurate in these cars BUT when i leave the car in the morning then come back in the afternoon to leave and start it, it looks like the fuel has dropped slightly. Today for example, i parked with the meter perfectly on the "F" line, but 8 hours later, it was below the line instead of touching being lined up perfectly.
This is what happens when your neighbor siphons off your gas.
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RTM
The gauges definitely aren't very accurate, they are more of a dummy gauge to give you an estimate on your tank level. I would never attempt to measure the actual MPG based on your fuel gauge. I just reset my trip odometer when I fill up, and write down how many Liters (Canada) I put in the car.
Yeah I don't ever base my mpg or anything off that, I just fill up and reset my trip meter.
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wssix99
This is what happens when your neighbor siphons off your gas.
I swear someone is siphoning my gas as I drive! You gotta believe me!
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 11:51 PM
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The fuel gauge will do odd things. There is a float in the tank but the tank is not a regular geometric volume. It's an odd shape, so as the level goes down for any given inch inside the tank, there will be a different volume of gas expended.

So, I've observed that the needle runs faster to empty for the last half of the gauge readings than the first half.
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wssix99
The fuel gauge will do odd things. There is a float in the tank but the tank is not a regular geometric volume. It's an odd shape, so as the level goes down for any given inch inside the tank, there will be a different volume of gas expended.

So, I've observed that the needle runs faster to empty for the last half of the gauge readings than the first half.
I have noticed this but for me it is very subtle, but I usually fill up when I get to half a tank so I don't really notice.
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