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Old Aug 26, 2015 | 03:44 PM
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hey guys, i bought a trans am with the infamous grinding whirring noise that occurs when the passenger light goes down. I replaced the motor with a remanufactured motor and as soon as i flip the lights to the on position, the driver side comes up like its supposed to but the passenger side stays down. When i turn the lights off the driver side goes down like it should but now the passenger side comes up. The arms are mounted correctly and the wiring is correct. The only thing i noticed is the upper headlight stop is missing for the passenger side light and while testing the lights, the casing split open, dont know if it happened due to the epoxy failing or the bump stop being missing. ANY help would be greatly appreciated.
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hey guys, i bought a trans am with the infamous grinding whirring noise that occurs when the passenger light goes down. I replaced the motor with a remanufactured motor and as soon as i flip the lights to the on position, the driver side comes up like its supposed to but the passenger side stays down. When i turn the lights off the driver side goes down like it should but now the passenger side comes up. The arms are mounted correctly and the wiring is correct.
See this thread: https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-f...o-here-41.html

Your problem is discussed on page 41. (The rest of the thread will be helpful, also.)


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The only thing i noticed is the upper headlight stop is missing for the passenger side light
The entire stop is missing or just the plastic cover for the stop? (I'm guessing the later.)


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while testing the lights, the casing split open, dont know if it happened due to the epoxy failing or the bump stop being missing. ANY help would be greatly appreciated.
This is common and a lot of us have lost motor covers because epoxy doesn't work that well. No type of adhesive works well on this type of plastic, actually.

The metal gears are also not all that they are cracked up to be.

For these reasons - I went with aftermarket motors with screw covers and will be replacing the nylon gears with nylon in the future:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...ght-doors.html
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 12:44 AM
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See this thread: https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-f...o-here-41.html

Your problem is discussed on page 41. (The rest of the thread will be helpful, also.)




The entire stop is missing or just the plastic cover for the stop? (I'm guessing the later.)




This is common and a lot of us have lost motor covers because epoxy doesn't work that well. No type of adhesive works well on this type of plastic, actually.

The metal gears are also not all that they are cracked up to be.

For these reasons - I went with aftermarket motors with screw covers and will be replacing the nylon gears with nylon in the future:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...ght-doors.html
Only the plastic bump stop is missing. The actual formed metal bump stop is their still. The actual part that split open was the housing/casing that stores the gear. I actually got around to messing with it some more but got a little creative and said to screw it and flip the arm around the opposite way and i actually got the lights to both come up at the same time, only thing is now is that doing it that way binds the crap out of the arm when it tries to move up and their fore creates a massive amount of resistance, not to mention that now in order to flip the lights up manually, the driver side still comes up manually when you turn it counter clockwise, but the passenger side is now requiring me to turn it clockwise to raise the light when before i flipped the arm around it was going up counter clockwise manually no different than the driver side. I bought the car like this so im trying to pickup where the previous owner left off and its his workman ship that is making this a nightmare.
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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 01:07 AM
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i forgot to ask you one question. Are both sides supposed to be turned counterclock wise on the ***** when you are manually turning them up or are they different. My driver side requires me to turn it counter clockwise to raise it manually but my passenger side requires me to turn it clockwise. Logic says they both should be turned counter clockwise but id though id ask away.
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Only the plastic bump stop is missing.
Just replace the plastic pieces with short cut pieces of fuel hose. They work better (and more quietly) than the original plastic pieces ever did. BTW - This is not part of your problem.

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I actually got around to messing with it some more but got a little creative and said to screw it and flip the arm around the opposite way and i actually got the lights to both come up at the same time, only thing is now is that doing it that way binds the crap out of the arm
Did you read the thread I linked? If your arms are on correctly and attached properly to the motors and one still opens in reverse - the electrical wires of the motor are probably backwards.

A lot of new motors ship with this problem. Maybe the PO put one in and couldn't deal with it? Maybe they did some electrical "magic" and screwed it up?

Its real easy to fix. Just pop out the two terminals in the motor connector and reverse them.
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Old Sep 1, 2015 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wssix99
Just replace the plastic pieces with short cut pieces of fuel hose. They work better (and more quietly) than the original plastic pieces ever did. BTW - This is not part of your problem.



Did you read the thread I linked? If your arms are on correctly and attached properly to the motors and one still opens in reverse - the electrical wires of the motor are probably backwards.

A lot of new motors ship with this problem. Maybe the PO put one in and couldn't deal with it? Maybe they did some electrical "magic" and screwed it up?

Its real easy to fix. Just pop out the two terminals in the motor connector and reverse them.
yes i read the link you provided. I will look at the connectors when i free up some time and look for the corrosion. I already put fuel hose over the metal bump stop to replace the missing plastic bump stop. I know i have the arms mounted correctly but i just want reassurance that both the driver and passenger side motors need to be turned counter clockwise to raise the headlight?
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i just want reassurance that both the driver and passenger side motors need to be turned counter clockwise to raise the headlight?
I don't remember - usually we don't open them this way. Whenever I've had to use this feature, I've been too pissed to notice which way I was turning the thing.

The motors are the exact same. If I recall correctly, they are flipped 180 degrees on either side so the shaft will stick outwards. This would change the direction the gear would turn to open the light, so it would not surprise me if the manual knows had to turn in different directions to open the lights. That **** is attached directly to the worm gear that engages the gear.
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