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2-1/2 years and they still look great. 
03-18-2009, 04:16 PM
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Hey Guys, The reason why they break off is due to engine harmonics combined with the block off plate being too heavy. We make it a point to check with our customers regarding usage of Air/EGR fittings prior to purchasing. This has led to no broken Air Fittings on ARH's. The other thing we did to lesson the possibility of breakage is go with lighter weight flanges on our fittings. Lastly and most important is that we use only U.S. sourced S/S. Chinese sourced S/S are brittle and more prone to breaking. If you have big and bulky block off plates, replace them with something thinner and lighter. It may make all the difference.
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03-18-2009, 07:57 PM
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03-19-2009, 01:53 AM
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If this is happening to so many products, wouldn't this be considered a design flaw in the product and be eligible for a some type of compensation from the manufacturer? Or possibly a recall of sorts? I see Nick from ARH spoke up that they are taking preventative measures, props to you for that. But still, if these break off on my headers you better believe the manufacturer is going to hear about it. You can't just sell a product knowing full well that it is inevitibly partially going to fail and then require repair. Thats shitty.
03-19-2009, 01:59 AM
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So...just order race version headers and don't worry about it.... Or keep EGR/AIR...but who does that?
03-19-2009, 02:11 AM
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All headers w/ emissions fittings will eventually blow them off, capping them off typically will help that process happen quicker.
Every header manufacturer put the AIR tube into the primary, weld, the cut/grind on the inside smooth, the metal gets paper thin compared to the primary tube and enough heat cycles and pressure, BAM it comes off.
Every header manufacturer put the AIR tube into the primary, weld, the cut/grind on the inside smooth, the metal gets paper thin compared to the primary tube and enough heat cycles and pressure, BAM it comes off.
03-19-2009, 02:48 AM
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Do you have catalytic converters? If not, why keep the AIR system? lol
03-19-2009, 11:26 AM
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I do agree with removing the AIR system if you go the ORY route. Saves weight and obviously they are useless once you have no cats for them to heat up.
Our original topic though was the Emissions Fittings on the Longtubes that were breaking off. I believe if they are destined to blow off, either with or without block off plates, that they are not performing the duty they are intended to perform. If that is the case, then I still agree with my previous statement of calling this issue a Design Flaw or at least a manufacturing issue. The part is not funtioning as it has claimed it would. Those with block off plates, I could see a manufacturer saying you are not using them as were intended and that is why they failed. Still bullshit, but thats what would happen. But if I hook up my emissions equipment to these products as they are designed to have done and they eventually bust off, I'm gonna be pissed and the company I got them from will hear about it. And I will be glad to tell them that this is a very common problem that obviously needs attention.
I hope I'm not coming across as stand-off-ish, because thats not what I'm trying to do here. I believe you should get what you pay for. And if you don't it should be made right in some way, shape or form. I wouldn't feel right if I made a product that people pay their hard earned money for knowing it has a defect that may or may not cause it to fail prematurely. So I expect the same from the people and products I give my money to. =-)
