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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 12:55 PM
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hey all. since pacesetter longtubes are at a great price right now, i was thinking about going with them and selling my mac's. but i was wondering what kind of gains could be expected between the 2 with my mods? also, i'm looking to do a cam, ls6 intake, and bigger valves install and porting my heads late next year so i know the longutbes will help there but again how much will they help? any info is appreciated.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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I would, but I hate the sound of Mac's after having them for a year and a half. I went with Pacesetters on my current car. If anything you will at least pick up some low end torque.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 02:22 PM
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I'm installing a set of Coated Pacesetters right now along with my Patriot heads and TSP cam. For the price of these headers I don't think you could go wrong. I will no more about performance of them in a couple of days.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 02:49 PM
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hey all. since pacesetter longtubes are at a great price right now, i was thinking about going with them and selling my mac's. but i was wondering what kind of gains could be expected between the 2 with my mods? also, i'm looking to do a cam, ls6 intake, and bigger valves install and porting my heads late next year so i know the longutbes will help there but again how much will they help? any info is appreciated.
with a big cam u want lt..... im doing the header swap from mac to pace next week
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 03:41 PM
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macs make great hp but the LT will help out the low end tq, if that is a concern. i personally hate the way the Macs sound with open catbacks. LTs sound SO much better!
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 05:25 PM
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whats so bad aboutthe way Mac headers sound. i have them with the off road y pipe and loud mouth and they sound completley nasty. if that sound is bad ill take it any day of the week.
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 01:38 AM
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I agree, they sound completely nasty
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 07:29 AM
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Do the Pacesetters need porting like the Mac do? There was a lot of weld build up in each each port and the collector in my Macs. I had to use an extra long carbide burr to grind it out of both collectors.
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 07:51 AM
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AFAIK the pacesetter LT's are mandrel bent, should have all that much build up. I haven't read anything about anyone who gets them needing to mess with them much at all other then just bolting them on their car. Good performances gains all around, I don't think many are unhappy about their purchase of the pace LT's.
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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 01:22 AM
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sounds good but i was also wondering if anyone has any performance numbers between the mac's and pacesetter's? thanx
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 12:12 PM
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IMO unless your going with a cam then your probably wasting your time...macs are great for a bolton car...

<---just did this exact swap
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i have h/c and im in the same position

trying to decide if i wanna switch or not
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 12:52 PM
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if you dont mind, let me know what you decide and why. thanx.
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Found this thread in a search and I have the same questions. Anyone have any comparos dyno or track wise from MACs to Pacesetters?? My car is currently just bolt-ons but soon will be doing a cam and maybe before the end of the year doing heads also. Right now these are the only LT's I am considering for the price since I am on a very tight budget. I dont plan to by the y-pipe, i would like to stick with duals so any help on this would be greatly appreciated
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 11:51 AM
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MAC's and Pacesetters offer almost the exact same gain in the higher RPM ranges, but Pacsetters, along with any LT will offer more power down low where the MAC's lack.
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 06:14 PM
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I would rather just put 4.30 gears in the place of my 4.10's. It would feel better then the difference of long tubes
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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There is probably not much of a gain IMO between the two in the upper RPM range because the Mac's do flow well with some modifications. I'm going to cut off the header to Y pipe connection and weld a 3 inch pipe in place because the ball flange disrupts the exhaust flow in that area and should flow a little better for my setup along with a new flowmaster collector.
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Old Jan 17, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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I have a new set of mandrel bent duals with X pipe, dynomax bullets, and turnouts for $350.......that is if you want to reap the full benefit of free flowing high scavenging exhaust. Lighter, cheaper,more power than ORY + catback.......Oh and it'll sound killer too!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Jan 17, 2004 | 12:34 PM
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for those curious ill be staying with my macs

i cut the ballflanges off and made 3" collectors and next time i have them off ill be porting out the primary welds

lt's may make a little bit more down low but my car stays above 4500 at the track anyways
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Old Jan 17, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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If you open up the collector, and get rid of the ball flanges on the Macs it will completely change the sound of them and provide more power..

IMO it's a waste of time. Cut off the ball flanges, and put gears in the car. You'll notice a MUCH bigger difference than wasting your time selling, and swapping headers for a mere 5-8 ft lbs of TQ....

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