Midlengths VS LT for a 224/224 cam
08-27-2010, 01:39 AM
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Midlengths VS LT for a 224/224 cam my car came with some mid lengths, and i was wondering if it would be worth it to swap over to LT if i plan on only getting a 224/224 114LSA cam
any ideas? im sure the car will make more HP but like what 10-15 more RWHP? if its a gain thats less then 20hp IMO its not really worth it right?
any ideas? im sure the car will make more HP but like what 10-15 more RWHP? if its a gain thats less then 20hp IMO its not really worth it right?
08-27-2010, 08:51 AM
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Well consider you're looking at a gain of 15rwhp untuned with longtubes and 25-30 tuned...
You really want to do the same work and basically same cost for half the gain? Imagine the ls6 intake with a ported tb cost the same as a FAST 90/90...would you buy the ls6 just because you don't have to replace the valley cover bolts?
You really want to do the same work and basically same cost for half the gain? Imagine the ls6 intake with a ported tb cost the same as a FAST 90/90...would you buy the ls6 just because you don't have to replace the valley cover bolts?
08-27-2010, 05:22 PM
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Well consider you're looking at a gain of 15rwhp untuned with longtubes and 25-30 tuned...
You really want to do the same work and basically same cost for half the gain? Imagine the ls6 intake with a ported tb cost the same as a FAST 90/90...would you buy the ls6 just because you don't have to replace the valley cover bolts?
You really want to do the same work and basically same cost for half the gain? Imagine the ls6 intake with a ported tb cost the same as a FAST 90/90...would you buy the ls6 just because you don't have to replace the valley cover bolts?
08-27-2010, 09:28 PM
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If you've gotta pay for the labor then I wouldn't do It. If you like working on your car then definitely worth it IMO.
My buddy put 333 to the wheels through an a4 with mids. Not bad and that was just average bolt ons without a tune.
My buddy put 333 to the wheels through an a4 with mids. Not bad and that was just average bolt ons without a tune.
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08-27-2010, 09:46 PM
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As for pulling your buddies car, every LS1 is different. The 1st day I had my car, it was bone stock, I took it and raced my friends full bolt on Camaro and put like 3 cars on him.
08-27-2010, 10:18 PM
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You're going to like that 228r... Especially if you're going to spray the car. It's really well mannered on the street, pulls hard from 3k up to about 6400.
As for pulling your buddies car, every LS1 is different. The 1st day I had my car, it was bone stock, I took it and raced my friends full bolt on Camaro and put like 3 cars on him.
As for pulling your buddies car, every LS1 is different. The 1st day I had my car, it was bone stock, I took it and raced my friends full bolt on Camaro and put like 3 cars on him.
So you had a bone stock ls1 that pulled THREE cars on a full bolt on LS1 (headers, intake, lid, pulley, etc....) 
08-27-2010, 10:32 PM
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Yeah. I'll see if I can track down the video. Keep in mind... The car I speak of is a freak. Bolt ons, he was slower than ****. 100 shot, he was raping a lot of stuff he shouldn't have been. He is now turbo (precision 67mm) on the stock motor 184000 miles, making 500ish and he only has 1st and 2nd gear in his a4, and he is destroying everyone. He beats me by about a car, and I make almost 100 more rwhp than him.
08-27-2010, 10:34 PM
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You're going to like that 228r... Especially if you're going to spray the car. It's really well mannered on the street, pulls hard from 3k up to about 6400.
As for pulling your buddies car, every LS1 is different. The 1st day I had my car, it was bone stock, I took it and raced my friends full bolt on Camaro and put like 3 cars on him.
As for pulling your buddies car, every LS1 is different. The 1st day I had my car, it was bone stock, I took it and raced my friends full bolt on Camaro and put like 3 cars on him.
08-28-2010, 10:06 AM
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Yeah. I'll see if I can track down the video. Keep in mind... The car I speak of is a freak. Bolt ons, he was slower than ****. 100 shot, he was raping a lot of stuff he shouldn't have been. He is now turbo (precision 67mm) on the stock motor 184000 miles, making 500ish and he only has 1st and 2nd gear in his a4, and he is destroying everyone. He beats me by about a car, and I make almost 100 more rwhp than him.
08-28-2010, 12:30 PM
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Sigh...... There is no such thing as a "freak" car. GM didnt accidentally put AFR heads or something on them. I would lean more twards your buddy's driving or something was mechanically wrong with his car. Have you ever dyno'd your "freak". All the cars roll off of the same assembly line, recieve the same parts, and are put together the same way. I have never been outrun by a "freak" car. Simple fact is that if he is full bolt on then I can assume that he is somewhere in the 350 rwhp range. A stock car would not keep up with that. Just my opinion.
08-28-2010, 12:58 PM
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Sigh...... There is no such thing as a "freak" car. GM didnt accidentally put AFR heads or something on them. I would lean more twards your buddy's driving or something was mechanically wrong with his car. Have you ever dyno'd your "freak". All the cars roll off of the same assembly line, recieve the same parts, and are put together the same way. I have never been outrun by a "freak" car. Simple fact is that if he is full bolt on then I can assume that he is somewhere in the 350 rwhp range. A stock car would not keep up with that. Just my opinion.
08-28-2010, 01:11 PM
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I think you're mistaken about so called freak cars. I never dyno'd my car, and it really wasn't that fast stock. My friends car was just a slower than **** bolt on car. You don't really need too much skill when you're driving an A4... His A4 vs my M6. And it's not really important now, seeing as him and I are both neck and neck and making over 500rwhp.
